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To: restornu

The thing that I’ve found disturbing isn’t “shunning,” but from the testimony of former Mormons, that the church encourages divorce when one of the spouses leaves the Mormon church. This is contrary to the Bible which says that you should not leave an unbelieving spouse. It is also cult-like in it’s attempted control of members by force and fear.


1,115 posted on 07/13/2007 1:54:27 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Elsie; Enosh; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Alamo-Girl; aMorePerfectUnion; Revelation 911; Greg F
King James Version
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Please note the stark differentiation between by what and whom is justified prior to the Great White Throne of Judgment (the Bride and wedding guests are justified by faith not of their works) and then when the Great Throne occurs (those Judged at the Great Throne will be Judged according to their works). Also, note that scrolls/books are mentioned. When you were saved by confessing with your mouth your trust in Christ, your name was written in the Lamb’s Book of Life and you became a member at the wedding party, as Bride or guest. You will not be standing for Judgment at the Great White Throne of Judgment; the Bride of Christ is not Judged at the Great White Throne of Judgment because those of the Bride are justified by their faith in Him not by their works and He will not be being Judged in Whom your faith is secure.

What is spoken of occurring at the Great White Throne of Judgment is books being opened and judgment according to men’s works.

Young's Literal Translation
Rev 20:12 and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls -- according to their works;
20:13 and the sea did give up those dead in it, and the death and the hades did give up the dead in them, and they were judged, each one according to their works;
20:14 and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire -- this is the second death;

1,117 posted on 07/13/2007 2:28:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: Greg F; Grig; sevenbak
The thing that I’ve found disturbing isn’t “shunning,” but from the testimony of former Mormons, that the church encourages divorce when one of the spouses leaves the Mormon church.

This is contrary to the Bible which says that you should not leave an unbelieving spouse.

It is also cult-like in it’s attempted control of members by force and fear.

Where do you get this stuff their are people in the Church who are members but their spouse is not.

1,119 posted on 07/13/2007 2:59:09 PM PDT by restornu (Romney keeps his eyes on the mission, and not on those who attacks his campaign!)
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To: Greg F

**** that the church encourages divorce when one of the spouses leaves the Mormon church.****

My mormon friend says they have been separated for nearly three years. She’s the one that left the mormon church and the one that wants the divorce but does little to follow through. He has tried to resolve issues gone to counseling but she refuses resolve or go to counseling. She now lives with another man. (So their kid tell me.)


1,125 posted on 07/13/2007 3:46:25 PM PDT by Truth-Miner (The Child in us desires Truth to bend to our perspective, may we all be Adults.)
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To: Greg F
The thing that I’ve found disturbing isn’t “shunning,” but from the testimony of former Mormons, that the church encourages divorce when one of the spouses leaves the Mormon church. This is contrary to the Bible which says that you should not leave an unbelieving spouse. It is also cult-like in it’s attempted control of members by force and fear.

No, the LDS church does not encourage divorce when one spouse leaves the church. We are told that the marriage covenant is sacred and to be honored. I know several couples where one has left the church, or one has joined another church. The LDS members are still faithful, and have good marriages. OTOH, I have a couple of friends whose husbands have told them after 20 years of marriage that they just didn't believe in the Church anymore and hadn't ever believed in it. Both friends stayed with their husbands, but after 2-3 years, both husbands asked for divorces (due to infidelity.)

A neighbor of my parents had a wife who got very psychotic and had dementia. She tried to kill him and one of their children. She was committed to the state mental hospital, where she asked for a divorce. After several years, he met a wonderful woman who was a Baptist. They fell in love and got married. She is an active, faithful member of her Baptist Church and he is and active, faithful member of my parents ward. Their one child has been raised as a Baptist. They have a wonderful marriage and support each other in their churches. He is invited to their socials and she is invited to the neighborhood parties and the ward activities.

So, no, the official stance of the LDS church is not to encourage divorce under any condition, except where there is abuse involved.

1,130 posted on 07/13/2007 4:18:34 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Greg F
The thing that I’ve found disturbing isn’t “shunning,” but from the testimony of former Mormons, that the church encourages divorce when one of the spouses leaves the Mormon church. This is contrary to the Bible which says that you should not leave an unbelieving spouse. It is also cult-like in it’s attempted control of members by force and fear.

Greg F, please believe me when I say that general hand book of instructions (not on the website) which is given to bishops and stake presidents does not say to do this, it specifically forbids divorce for a punishment for leaving the church. Whatever you have heard it is NOT church policy, nor does the Church encourage it. However, with millions of members, I am sure it has happened just on statistics alone.

On the other hand, if one wishes to dissolve a Temple Marriage, that is unusual unless one of the spouses is being excommunicated already for some grievous sin (like adultery, or child molestation) Who could blame the faithful spouse of someone who has been doing these things from wanting to start again elsewhere?
1,135 posted on 07/13/2007 5:34:36 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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