Our Mormon Brothers?

Reformed Evangelist ^ | May 14th, 2007 | Jeff Fuller

[wmfights]

I fail to see why any creed would be a prerequisite for being considered a Christian. All these creeds were determined by groups of humans trying to resolve theological questions.

I think a better starting point in defining who is a Christian would be those that follow Jesus, seeking to live a Christ like life, knowing Jesus is the son of God and through him alone salvation is found.

[Enosh]

"knowing Jesus is the son of God and through him alone salvation is found."

Correct. Let us now define "God." Upon what foundation will you build this temple?

Christians will tell you the Father is the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Mormons will tell you the Father was just some dude who got things right.

So, if the Father of Mormonism and Judeo-Christian are different, so is the Son.

Mormons do not believe in the Christian Christ.

[wmfights]

Let us now define "God."

Creator and ruler of the universe.

[Enosh]

"Creator and ruler of the universe."

Bingo! Thus He could never have been a mere man as He existed before mankind.

Thus... Mormonism is FALSE!

[wmfights]

Thus He could never have been a mere man as He existed before mankind.

No argument from me. We exist at his pleasure.

I was unaware that Mormons believed God "evolved" from being a mere man.

[Spiff]

I think a better starting point in defining who is a Christian would be those that follow Jesus, seeking to live a Christ like life, knowing Jesus is the son of God and through him alone salvation is found.

Sounds good to me. I wish the Creedians could figure that out.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***When has this ever happened to anyone?***
***Ruy here apparently thinks that a caste system exists within America.***

During the 1880’s this handshake was standard for the “common” people. Only the Elete got the full handshake.

One man in in the church of england got the two finger handshake and was so angered he went, joined and became a leader the English-Irish version of the restorationist movement (totally separate from the American version).

Hill’s Manual of Social and Business Forms by Thomas E. Hill (1881) clearly shows the two finger handshake.

[wmfights]

I wish the Creedians could figure that out.

But how about the non-creedians who seek to move beyond Scripture?

[Enosh]

"(1881)"

*Blink*

Anyone else find this funny?

[visually_augmented]

AzaleaCity5691: “If you knew anything about the Catholic Church, you would know that we don’t deify Mary.”

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I have seen numerous defenders of the RC church on these threads claiming Mary was without sin. This is an attribute only God can claim.

Members of the Catholic faith regularly pray to Mary. Why would they pray to someone who has no power to answer?

[Spiff]

But how about the non-creedians who seek to move beyond Scripture?

The creeds don't move beyond scripture?! I beg to differ.

[Bainbridge]

Hmm. Very interesting.
The South comprises many states which had little to no Roman Catholic presence. Virginia, North and South Carolina , Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee come to mind.
Florida and Louisiana would be the only two which were in any way influenced by Roman Catholicism, and those were a non English speaking (Spanish and French, respectively) origin. The colonial period was not (outside of Maryland) much influenced by Roman Catholicism. In fact, I believe only one signer ( Carroll) was a member of that church.

[restornu]

Sometime you come off as a
Royal Ring a Ding Ding!

[Enosh]

"Why would they pray to someone who has no power to answer?"

The correct question is, "Why pray to someone other than God?"

We know that sometimes Angels act, so insulting them isn't a very good idea. Doubly so for Jesus' mother.

[wmfights]

But how about the non-creedians who seek to move beyond Scripture?

If I'm incorrect I'm sure you will cite the Scripture that shows it. From what I've seen so far Mormons believe Mary is the on going "mistress" of God and produces "spirit babies" for God in heaven. Also, Mormons believe individual believers will evolve into "Gods" themselves. Lastly, Mormons apparently believe that God "evolved" from man in the first place. I don't believe any of these assertions are Scriptural.

[Bainbridge]

I believe it is stated as:
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man...and you have got to learn to be gods yourself.”
Journal of discourses 6:3-4 (Joseph Smith)

Now this doesn't sound too good. So the church is finessing it, and revising and developing and denying it and the verbal gymnastics required are absurd. But if you do some basic research you cannot avoid the fact that this is a foundational belief of the LDS church. And so no, they are not Christian.

[Enosh]

Thanks, Resty. I know you're nice from that yanked thread I got in trouble over.

So, if the Father was once a man, how did He create the universe which existed before man?

(The Creation bit is in the Bible, BTW...)

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Low Church.
***The terms actually came about in the Anglican church in the 16th & 17th centuries***

“(1881)”
*Blink*

***Anyone else find this funny?***

Perhapis I should have ended each post with the words SARCASM /OFF.

Low church. Two finger handshake. leaving church feeling very LOW. Must one PAINT A PICTURE FOR YOU?
Sheesh.

[wmfights]

“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man...and you have got to learn to be gods yourself.” Journal of discourses 6:3-4 (Joseph Smith)

Thank you for the notation. I know you won't find anything alluding to this in Scripture.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

God preexisted everything. God could not be the product of evolution. God existed before anything began.