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To: xzins; nanetteclaret; lawdave; jude24
Do Catholics deny the "reality" of the Holy Spirit or the Father because both are Spiritual rather than physical?

Since Jesus also is "spirit", his spiritual presence at the communion is as "real" as it gets.

If his physical body were present, then he would have to be literally torn limb from limb on a daily basis to accommodate all the masses that are performed. To believe that Christ is "physically" present at the Eucharist is to assume that his physical body is not "real".

In other words, Christ's "real" physical presence in the Eucharist would only be possible if his physical body were not "real".

Since his physical body is "real", his presence in the Eucharist is "spiritual".

Carry on.

148 posted on 07/06/2007 7:52:12 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

And he said to them, “How many loaves have you? Go and see.” And when they had found out, they said, “Five, and two fish.”

39 Then he commanded them all to sit down by companies upon the green grass.

40 So they sat down in groups, by hundreds and by fifties.

41 And taking the five loaves and the two fish he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and broke the loaves, and gave them to the disciples to set before the people; and he divided the two fish among them all.

42 And they all ate and were satisfied.

43 And they took up twelve baskets full of broken pieces and of the fish.

44 And those who ate the loaves were five thousand men.


150 posted on 07/06/2007 7:59:12 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat (Kyrie Eleison)
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To: P-Marlowe

What is it with you people thinking Catholics don’t believe the Holy Spirit and God the Father are “real?”

Your vision of Christ and His physical body is very limited, and does not take into account that He can be miraculously present (He is God, after all, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity). That is a definition of miraculous - it is a mystery! This fact is proved in these verses from John 20: “Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.” (vs. 19) and “And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.” (vs. 26) John is careful to explain that the doors were shut, but Jesus appeared in the midst of them. John is also careful to explain that Jesus’ body, although Resurrected, is the same body as the one at the Crucifixion because Jesus told Thomas to put his hands in His side and hands: “Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.” (vs. 27) If Jesus’ Resurrected body can appear although the doors are closed, and still bear the wounds of His Crucifixion, He can be present body, blood, soul, and divinity in Holy Communion at Mass.


156 posted on 07/06/2007 8:36:58 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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