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3 insurers shed light on Protestant church sex abuse
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 14, 2007 | ROSE FRENCH

Posted on 06/15/2007 5:33:53 AM PDT by Between the Lines

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures released to The Associated Press offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down — the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.

Religious groups and victims' supporters have been keenly interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950.

Protestant numbers have been harder to come by and are sketchier because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic church; indeed, many congregations are independent, which makes reporting even more difficult.

Some of the only numbers come from three insurance companies — Church Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co.

Together, they insure 165,495 churches and worship centers for liability against child sex abuse and other sexual misconduct, mostly Protestant congregations but a few other faiths as well. They also insure more than 5,500 religious schools, camps and other organizations.

The companies represent a large chunk of all U.S. Protestant churches. There are about 224,000 in the U.S., according to the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, although that number excludes most historically black denominations and some other groups, which account for several thousand congregations.

Church Mutual, GuideOne and Brotherhood Mutual each provided statistics on sex abuse claims to The Associated Press, although they did not produce supporting documentation or a way to determine whether the reports were credible.

The largest company, Church Mutual, reported an average of about 100 sex abuse cases a year involving minors over the past decade. GuideOne, which has about half the clients of Church Mutual, said it has received an average of 160 reports of sex abuse against minors every year for the past two decades.

Brotherhood Mutual said it has received an average of 73 reports of child sex abuse and other sexual misconduct every year for the past 15 years. However, Brotherhood does not specify which victims are younger than 18 so it is impossible to accurately add that to the total cases.

Abuse reports don't always mean the accused was guilty, and they don't necessarily result in financial awards or settlements, the companies said. The reports include accusations against clergy, church staff and volunteers.

Even with hundreds of cases a year "that's a very small number. That probably doesn't even constitute half," said Gary Schoener, director of the Walk-In Counseling Center in Minneapolis, a consultant on hundreds of Protestant and Catholic clergy misconduct cases. "Sex abuse in any domain, including the church, is reported seldom. We know a small amount actually come forward."

Tom Farr, general counsel and senior vice president of claims for GuideOne, based in West Des Moines, Iowa, said most abuse cases are resolved privately in court-ordered mediation. Awards can range from millions of dollars down to paying for counseling for victims, he said.

One of the largest settlements to date in Protestant churches involved the case of former Lutheran minister Gerald Patrick Thomas Jr. in Texas, where a jury several years ago awarded the minister's victims nearly $37 million. Separate earlier settlements involving Thomas cost an additional $32 million.

When insurance companies first started getting reports of abuse from churches nearly two decades ago, the cases usually involved abuse that happened many years earlier. But over the past several years, the alleged abuse is more recent — which could reflect a greater awareness about reporting abuse, insurance companies said.

Insurance officials said the number of sex abuse cases has remained steady over the past two decades, but they also said churches are working harder to prevent child sex abuse by conducting background checks, installing windows in nurseries and play areas and requiring at least two adults in a room with a child.

Patrick Moreland, vice president of marketing for Church Mutual, said churches are particularly susceptible to abusers.

"By their nature, congregations are the most trusting of organizations, so that makes them attractive targets for predators," he said. "If you're a predator, where do you go? You go to a congregation that will welcome you."

A victims' advocacy group has said the Southern Baptists, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, could do more to prevent abuse by creating a list of accused clergy the public and churches could access.

"I think they should have a list of credibly reported clergy child abuse," said Christa Brown, a member of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, a group initially created to hold the Catholic church accountable for sex abuse by its clergy.

"These are things people are entitled to know," said Brown, who says she was sexually abused as a child by a Southern Baptist minister. "The only way to prevent this crime is to break the code of silence and to have absolute transparency when allegations are raised."

At the Southern Baptist Convention's annual meeting in San Antonio this week, the Rev. Wade Burleson of Enid, Okla., proposed a feasibility study into developing a national database of Southern Baptist ministers who have been "credibly accused of, personally confessed to, or legally been convicted of sexual harassment or abuse."

A convention committee referred Burleson's motion to the SBC executive committee, which will report back with findings and a recommendation at next year's meeting in Indianapolis.

Southern Baptist President Frank Page said leaders are considering several options to help churches protect children against abuse.

"We believe that the Scripture teaches that the church should be an autonomous, independent organization," Page said. "We encourage churches to hold accountable at the local level those who may have misused the trust of precious children and youth."

Several years ago, the Baptist General Convention of Texas, which represents moderates who have increasingly distanced themselves from the conservative-led Southern Baptists, started a list of accused clergy for churches, but not the public. Under pressure from victim advocates, the Texas group just released the names of some convicted sex offenders who may have been ministers in local congregations.

Joe Trull, editor of Christian Ethics Today and retired ethics professor at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, helped the Texas convention create its registry and says there are now about 11 cases involving clergy abuse with minors.

But he believes these are just the "tip of the iceberg" because churches don't have to report abuse cases to the registry and aren't likely to.

"The problem we're having is that churches just weren't sending the names," Trull said. "In the normal scenario, they just try to keep it secret. We're going to have to be more proactive and let them know if they don't come forward, they're helping to perpetuate this problem."


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: ephebophiles; moralabsolutes; pedophiles; sexabuse; sexcrimes
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To: markomalley
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201 posted on 06/16/2007 7:44:05 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: pjr12345

Frankly, I’m waiting on a response to my post #200. Once I have that response, I’ll respond specifically to your post.

I honestly am used to an environment where people are called on to respect each other’s beliefs, whether one agrees with those beliefs or not. And if one wishes to challenge those beliefs, to make the challenge based upon some degree of propriety and intellectual rigor. Further, where an individual violates the above premises, where it’s acceptable to call that person on the carpet.

I am not used to an environment where one can mock and deride another belief without any semblence of proof or logic. And where the person calling the mocker on the carpet is penalized for doing so.

But if that’s the paradigm here, I guess I’ll either have to live with it or move on to someplace else. I personally think that about 80% of the Religion Forum participants would prefer the latter option, but I don’t like being pushed out of a place. So I just need to learn the rules here so that I can work within them.


202 posted on 06/16/2007 7:47:45 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: pjr12345
The operative word in this snippet of your post is "heartfelt". It would seem that, as with many cults, the RCC appeals to the senses rather than to reason. It takes no more than conditioning to develop one's senses. Reason requires one to build a logical argument from a valid premise. And with the many flawed positions of the RCC, either the logic fails or the premise is flawed, or both.

You know, I wrote a diatribe against your heretical beliefs and how those beliefs, as exercised on this forum, literally must cause Christ to cringe.

And then I was going to write a diatribe on how my deeply-held beliefs cannot allow me to be as uncharitable as to rant against your deeply-held beliefs.

I erased both diatribes.

I will not sink to the level of diabolical practices that some so-called Christian confessions inspire of their members. I will not hate, no matter how badly I am hated for my beliefs. If others choose to do so, so be it.

It just ain't worth it.

203 posted on 06/16/2007 8:02:42 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
Then, in your next, you lob yet another s*** bomb.

Awww Mark that does not help !

"Rome, in the person of CLEMENT OF ROME, originally received this Epistle. Then followed a period in which it ceased to be received by the Roman churches. Then, in the fourth century, Rome retracted her error. A plain proof she is not unchangeable or infallible. As far as Rome is concerned, the Epistle to the Hebrews was not only lost for three centuries, but never would have been recovered at all but for the Eastern churches; it is therefore a happy thing for Christendom that Rome is not the Catholic Church." A. R. FAUSSET

204 posted on 06/16/2007 8:07:00 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: markomalley

Mark,

You’ll notice that any darts headed your way from yours truly originate where the recipient has built an argument outside of Scripture and/or in disingenuity. It just so happens that, with so much of its doctrine falling into this bin, the RCC receives a substantial amount of fire.

Facts are facts. And it’s a fact that the RCC has forged a path away from Scriptural Truth for centuries. Its current defenders are helpless in staving off even a mild Scripture-based assault. This is more pronounced since most RCC members don’t know the Bible. The ones who learn either leave the church (as I did), or weave together a tapestry of mistranslation and deception to support their blasphemy.

Any open and unbiased reading of the New Testament should bring you out of darkness and into His marvelous light. Isn’t your eternal soul worth such an effort? Would you carelessly trust it to anyone but yourself? Who has more at stake, eternally, than you? Don’t take my word on it; take God’s Word on it. I suggest you begin with Paul’s letter to the original church at Rome, and then follow with the letters to the Galatians and to the Hebrews.

Bon voyage, bon jour et bon chance!


205 posted on 06/16/2007 8:29:11 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! Romans 7:25)
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To: ears_to_hear
I'm not sure what your quote has to do with anything in particular.

Even the Catholic Encyclopedia states that the canonicity of Hebrews was questioned at first.

In this formative period the Epistle to the Hebrews did not obtain a firm footing in the Canon of the Universal Church. At Rome it was not yet recognized as canonical, as shown by the Muratorian catalogue of Roman origin; Irenæus probably cites it, but makes no reference to a Pauline origin. Yet it was known at Rome as early as St. Clement, as the latter's epistle attests. The Alexandrian Church admitted it as the work of St. Paul, and canonical. The Montanists favoured it, and the aptness with which vi, 4-8, lent itself to the Montanist and Novatianist rigour was doubtless one reason why it was suspect in the West. Also during this period the excess over the minimal Canon composed of the Gospels and thirteen epistles varied. The seven "Catholic" Epistles (James, Jude, I and II Peter, and the three of John) had not yet been brought into a special group, and, with the possible exception of the three of St. John, remained isolated units, depending for theircanonical strength on variable circumstances. But towards the end of the second century the canonical minimum was enlarged and, besides the Gospels and Pauline Epistles, unalterably embraced Acts, I Peter, I John (to which II and III John were probably attached), and Apocalypse. Thus Hebrews, James, Jude, and II Peter remained hovering outside the precincts of universal canonicity, and the controversy about them and the subsequently disputed Apocalypse form the larger part of the remaining history of the Canon of the New Testament However, at the beginning of the third century the New Testament was formed in the sense that the content of its main divisions, what may be called its essence, was sharply defined and universally received, while all the secondary books were recognized in some Churches. A singular exception to the universality of the above-described substance of the New Testament was the Canon of the primitive East Syrian Church, which did not contain any of the Catholic Epistles or Apocalypse.

Shoot, the NT Canon wasn't set until proclaimed by Pope Damasus I in 374 AD...and was contested in many of the African churches until the Council of Hippo (393).

Mr. Fausset chooses to editorialize on accepted fact in an interesting way, but I'm still not sure why you made that quote. Perhaps you could expound a bit..

206 posted on 06/16/2007 8:38:12 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Our great high priest is perfect, what do we need of yours. The daily sacrifices were cut off there is none. The Catholic church made up it's own traditions that have nothing to do with the bible or the work of Jesus

Amen. 1Pe.2:9-we are a royal priesthood.

207 posted on 06/17/2007 4:36:09 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: markomalley

Obviously your church and ECF did not see the book as interpreted thru the church. That was my point


208 posted on 06/17/2007 4:42:23 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I took you to task on these words which you wrote:

the priest is more than a man, closer to God than mere human beings.

Your repetitive cut and pastes do not address this issue. You have not shown me how a priest is "closer than a mere human being." In fact, you infer that the Catholic Church teaches that there are "human beings" and then priests. What are priests if they are not human beings? The Catholic Church teaches no such thing, notwithstanding your claims to the contrary. If you have a source proving that the Catholic Church teaches that priests are higher than mere human beings, then post it. Otherwise, your claims are either the speculation of the uninformed, or worse, intentional misrepresentations. I hope for your sake it is the former rather than the latter.

And please, in regards to your attempts to twist the words of father Baker into "Catholics believe a priest IS Jesus Christ," thank God Almighty that those reading this page are at least smart enough to read Fr. Baker's comments IN CONTEXT OF his discussion (of the holy sacrifice of the mass). Find me a Catholic theologian that writes that a priest in complete form and spirit IS Jesus Christ. Just one, and not some misquoted Jesuit. I won't hold my breath. Otherwise again, your claims of what the Catholic Church teaches is 100% bull.

And wasn't this a discussion about abuse of our children at the hands of the Protestants? I LOVE the spin and the attempt to keep this solely a Catholic issue when it clearly is not.

209 posted on 06/17/2007 3:32:31 PM PDT by theanonymouslurker
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To: ears_to_hear
I've got one, unlike that copy of the abridged, heavily edited version which showed up 12 centuries after the original, that you feel compelled to use as a crutch.

St. Jerome's words from the fourth century continue to be so pertinent today and they continue to fall on deaf ears, particularly on these threads.

"Ignorance of Scripture is Ignorance of Christ".

You and your colleagues would be well served to heed the words of St. Peter but that is highly unlikely.

"And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16

During your particular judgments, don't claim you weren't warned.

210 posted on 06/17/2007 4:40:54 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: pjr12345

Excellent only to those who are easliy deceived. It’s a pity that you too are ignorant of Scripture and history.


211 posted on 06/17/2007 4:42:33 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: theanonymouslurker
I agree that Baker's words are clear. Anyone who cares to know exactly what Baker is saying can read the article by him and decide for themselves.

THE AMAZING GIFT OF THE PRIESTHOOD

"The Catholic faith teaches that the priest is another Christ, an alter Christus..."

"Simply stated, the Catholic priest is another Christ..."

"The priest is an alter Christus, another Christ."

"Msgr. Josemaria Escriva put it this way: 'What is the identity of the priest? It is the identity of Christ himself.'..."

you infer that the Catholic Church teaches that there are "human beings" and then priests.

I don't have to "infer" anything. Baker makes that assertion in black and white...

"Orders produce an ontological or real change in the one ordained. Once consecrated he is no longer a lay person and he is no longer exactly like non-priests."

This essay is pertinent not only for showing us what the RCC teaches, but it gives real insight into how and why a child and even the child's family would more easily fall prey to the sexual advances from a priest than from a regular pedophile.

And this is because the enticing pedophile is "another Christ."

213 posted on 06/17/2007 4:55:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I've got one, unlike that copy of the abridged, heavily edited version which showed up 12 centuries after the original, that you feel compelled to use as a crutch. St. Jerome's words from the fourth century continue to be so pertinent today and they continue to fall on deaf ears, particularly on these threads.

I posted the latin and you still do not believe. Has it occurred to you that it was your church that changed the translation for its own purposes?

There is NO provision for priests in the new church. The priest was a type of Christ and He became both priest and sacrifice.

Put down the false Catholic translation and read with me . "For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:" Titus 1:5

Tts 1:5 ¶ For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

From the latin vulgate
huius rei gratia reliqui te Cretae ut ea quae desunt corrigas et constituas per civitates presbyteros sicut ego tibi disposui Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D.

presbyteros a term of rank or office a) among the Jews

1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)

2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice

b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably

Youngs LITERAL GREEK translation agrees with Jerome

For this cause left I thee in Crete, that the things lacking thou mayest arrange, and mayest set down in every city elders, as I did appoint to thee; Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Latin vulgate

Vulgate et ipse dedit quosdam quidem apostolos quosdam autem prophetas alios vero evangelistas alios autem pastores et doctores Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D.

No priest there

11 And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Douay-Rheims Bible

214 posted on 06/17/2007 6:10:02 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Excellent only to those who are easliy deceived. It’s a pity that you too are ignorant of Scripture and history.

You presume much, Mr. C.

All "history" aside, Scripture is God's Word, His revelation to man. Please enlighten me about how mariology reconciles with Scripture, or purgatory, or idol worship a la RCC "saints", or its papacy and priesthood, or many other false, non-Scriptural doctrines. Please help me, O Wise One, since I am devoid of understanding.

215 posted on 06/17/2007 8:05:27 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! Romans 7:25)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; pjr12345; ears_to_hear
Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal!
216 posted on 06/17/2007 8:46:24 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: pjr12345
Facts are facts. And it’s a fact that the RCC has forged a path away from Scriptural Truth for centuries. Its current defenders are helpless in staving off even a mild Scripture-based assault. This is more pronounced since most RCC members don’t know the Bible. The ones who learn either leave the church (as I did), or weave together a tapestry of mistranslation and deception to support their blasphemy. Any open and unbiased reading of the New Testament should bring you out of darkness and into His marvelous light. Isn’t your eternal soul worth such an effort? Would you carelessly trust it to anyone but yourself? Who has more at stake, eternally, than you? Don’t take my word on it; take God’s Word on it. I suggest you begin with Paul’s letter to the original church at Rome, and then follow with the letters to the Galatians and to the Hebrews.

Amen.

Don't forget Rev.17!

217 posted on 06/17/2007 10:23:43 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Um, made a comment without all the facts, but I’ll forgive you.

I’ve sat at tables with victims. Also seen endless people victimized by the Archdiocese of Boston.

From the legitimately abused to the falsely accused.

A good number of these folks are still be abused by the Archdiocese, but now out of the limelight, because O’Malley has hoodwinked the “Survivor Community” and the little Mrs. McGillicuddy who gives $5 from her SS check each month to pay 250k salaries. Or for his $300 sandals and expensive dinners at Papparazzi in Copley Square.

I read the reviews to of this when it came out, not interested.


218 posted on 06/18/2007 6:17:01 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: Religion Moderator

Sorry, I was not aware I had


219 posted on 06/18/2007 7:09:22 AM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: ears_to_hear
I posted the latin and you still do not believe.

Reading the mind of another poster is a type of "making it personal." If the above had been worded "I posted the Latin, you should believe it." then it would not have been "making it personal."

It is a subtle difference, but the former tends to cause resentments and/or flame wars.

220 posted on 06/18/2007 7:18:00 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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