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To: ArrogantBustard; Danny Garland Jr.; Alex Murphy; Pyro7480
The real thesis of this article is quite interesting ... that the Incarntaion was planned all along, regardless of what Man might do. It has to be that way, of course ... otherwise by sinning Adam would have "forced God's hand". That's problematic to say the least.

Exactly. St. Paul tells us that Jesus Christ is "the firstborn of every creature" (Col. 1:15) and that "All things have been created through and unto Him, and He is before all creatures, and in Him all things hold together." (Col. 1:16-17). Jesus is the "firstborn", not chronologically, but in God's eternal plan! God willed the Incarnation first and then created us "through and unto Him". Because of sin Jesus Christ redeemed us, but sin or no sin He is the "one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim. 2:5).

Good night...

58 posted on 06/13/2007 7:43:05 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Quix; pjr12345

” St. Paul tells us that Jesus Christ is “the firstborn of every creature” (Col. 1:15) and that “All things have been created through and unto Him, and He is before all creatures (including Mary), and in Him all things hold together.” (Col. 1:16-17)”

You forgot the next verse that says He is the redeemer and there is no “co-redemptrix” for He has the preeminence in all things and He shares His glory with no one.
Rev 5:9, “And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;” There is no mention of Mary having anything to do with the redemption of fallen man.

18. “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”


62 posted on 06/13/2007 8:27:10 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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