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To: Frumanchu
And feel free to link me to any document of the mainline Protestant denominations in which they claim to be the one true church to the exclusion of all others, or redact the statement.

Question: If one thing is clear, it's that there is one, single, visible Church that Jesus founded. This multitude of competing, conflicting denominations is no sign of God's work; therefore, it must be the work of the Evil One. Somewhere in the midst of these 30,000 denominations, there is one true church, and the rest are in sin and rebellion.

Answer: The "thousands-of-denominations" argument is very often employed to prove all sorts of things. Here are some citations from letters received from other Catholics:

How can all these denominations claim to follow the Bible yet all come to different conclusions? How can I possibly know which one of those above teach the truth when they can't even agree on what the Bible says? The Bible alone has created so much havoc in this world.

If there is only one Church, why are there so many Protestant denominations? Possibly many thousands throughout the world, as compared to only one Catholic Church? I do see it as a sign of God's judgment that there are close to 30,000 Protestant denominations.

The Bible alone can be dangerous. In fact, the Bible alone IS dangerous. Look at Protestantism: 100,000 different interpretation of the Bible, 100,000 contradictions, 100,000 different denominations claiming to have the key.

Peter said that no prophecy of the Scripture is for private interpretation. This is why you have 30,000 different Protestant denominations that all believe differently from one another. This alone should give you a clue that Protestantism is not the true Church of Jesus Christ.

So, the existence of many Protestant denominations supposedly proves that the Sola Scriptura is dangerous, that we should not try to understand the Bible for ourselves, that the church of Rome is the one true church, and of course, all the other churches are false.

Elsewhere I have written on the significance of the heterogeneity among Christians. (See That They May Be One and Disagreement among Protestants). Here I simply want to make one important addition, namely, that the allegation so often repeated by Catholic apologists that there are 20,000 to 30,000 Protestant denominations is simply FALSE . . . not to mention the double standard employed, for the Roman Church is not exactly united. There are untold factions and divisions, and diverse understanding of doctrine within Catholic groups and by different Catholic theologians and individuals.

In an article entitled "30,000 Protestant Denominations?", Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:

*Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford University Press, 1982).

*Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. However not all of them are Protestants. According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).

*However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines "distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group. The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.

*Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."

*Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded."

I for one will sleep much more soundly tonight knowing the number is closer to 8,000 than 30,000.

John 11:35. "Jesus Wept."

80 posted on 06/12/2007 6:43:56 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed
I for one will sleep much more soundly tonight knowing the number is closer to 8,000 than 30,000.

Given the implications for the position you're arguing from, I should think the 223 that are Catholic would keep you up all night.

84 posted on 06/12/2007 6:56:18 PM PDT by Frumanchu (Jerry Falwell: Now a Calvinist in Glory)
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This multitude of competing, conflicting denominations is no sign of God’s work; therefore, it must be the work of the Evil One. Somewhere in the midst of these 30,000 denominations, there is one true church, and the rest are in sin and rebellion.

What balderdash.

God used Paul and Barnabas’ split for the Good of the Gospel. He’s been able to do that even with church splits.

The above assertion ignores the fact that within the RC edifice as well as within the Proty geography there are great pockets of truth and great pockets of error.

It has to do with . . . drum roll . . .

BEING HUMAN.

And last I checked, the RC’s had not found any more effective insurance against being human than have the Proties.


102 posted on 06/12/2007 8:01:17 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Frank Sheed

If you pursue the Eric Svendsen analysis a little further, you’ll see that the final figure he arrived at was 21 Protestant denominations and 16 Catholic denominations. In any event, I believe that Catholics should be more judicious in using the “thousands” of denominations argument, especially when you realize that this kind of number has been reached not entirely out of good will, and is arrived at by counting “jurisdictional boundaries”, e.g., Southern Baptists, Conservative Baptists as different denomations, and in some cases each independent Baptist church as a separate denomination, even though they agree in Faith and Practice.


115 posted on 06/12/2007 11:07:10 PM PDT by Binghamton_native
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To: Frank Sheed

Protestantism AND Catholicism, etc. aren’t the True Church of Christ. The BODY of Christ, the believers, are the true church. Christ indwells us and we are HIS CHURCH. No denomination, no elite group, just His Body.


322 posted on 06/15/2007 4:43:54 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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