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To: ZGuy

Sorry, I stopped reading when the author made the claim that there are “blood oaths” that we “Temple Mormons” are required to make.

It’s silly lies like this that show some peoples religious bigotry. Sorry folks, but that is a lie, there are no secret “blood oaths”...la


11 posted on 06/11/2007 8:13:53 AM PDT by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne

The blood oaths were removed from the Temple Covenant in 1990. Mitt took those oaths. You possibly don’t know that. Perhaps you should study up.


21 posted on 06/11/2007 8:24:06 AM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: TheSuaveOne
>> I stopped reading when the author made the claim >> that there are “blood oaths” that we “Temple Mormons” >> are required to make. >>It’s silly lies like this that show some peoples >>religious bigotry. Sorry folks, but that is a lie, >>there are no secret “blood oaths”...la It's amazing to me how anyone will come on this message board and try to deny that there were ever blood oaths and penalties in the history of the Mormon temple endowment ceremony. Yes its true that the church got rid of those parts in 1990. They've gotten rid of many things from the past. But don't try to coverup the truth here at Freerepublic.com. Readers can learn more on this for themselves at http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/penalty.shtml online.
54 posted on 06/11/2007 9:07:16 AM PDT by Degaston
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To: TheSuaveOne
Sorry, I stopped reading when the author made the claim that there are “blood oaths” that we “Temple Mormons” are required to make. It’s silly lies like this that show some peoples religious bigotry. Sorry folks, but that is a lie, there are no secret “blood oaths”

I think the key part of the article that is a relevant question re: blood oaths is this part:

Mitt Romney’s grandfather swore an oath against the United States of America. The oath said, “You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, that you will teach the same to your children and to your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.”

Since the above oath was part of the temple endowment procdure until Feb. 15, 1927...did Mitt's grandfather and/or great-grandfather swear this oath? Is not Mitt part of that "third or fourth generation"?

Note this statement by John D. Lee: “Brigham raised his hand and said, ‘I swear by the eternal Heavens that I have unsheathed my sword, and I will never return it until the blood of the Prophet Joseph and Hyrum, and those who were slain in Missouri, is avenged. This whole nation is guilty of shedding their blood, by assenting to the deed, and holding its peace.’ ... Furthermore, every one who had passed through their endowments, in the Temple, were placed under the most sacred obligations to avenge the blood of the Prophet, whenever an opportunity offered, and to teach their children to do the same, thus making the entire Mormon people sworn and avowed enemies of the American nation.” (Mormonism Unveiled, 1877, p. 160)

61 posted on 06/11/2007 9:36:43 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: TheSuaveOne

When your Temple oaths say things like the following, of course you are going to deny that they take place. That’s the whole point. Mormon Temple blood-oaths swear chiefly that they will never reveal the blood-oaths. Fortunately for the rest of us, some of the Mormons left the pact, and have published what Mormons swear to in the temple.

Would you like to deny that these things are true?
Of course, if you’ve sworn these things, you are supposed to be terribly afraid of revealing that they are, in fact, what was used in such ceremonies.

But another convenient device of the MOrmons is that such things are moving targets. They change them so fast that you will again be easily able to say “I didn’t swear that!”
The syntax having been “updated”.

The source is
http://www.i4m.com/think/temples/temple_oaths.htm

Death Oaths Made by All Mormon Temple Patrons Prior to the 1930’s:

ADAM : “We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of the secrets of this, the first token of the Aaronic priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by their roots.”

ADAM: “All bow your heads and say Yes.”

TEMPLE PATRONS: “Yes.” (All patrons sit down.)

PETER: “The brethren and sisters will now stand, push back the seats, place the robe on the left shoulder, and receive the Second Token of the Aaronic Priesthood. We and each of us do covenant and promise that we will not reveal the secrets of this, the Second Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign, grip or penalty. Should we do so, we agree to have our breasts cut open and our hearts and vitals torn from our bodies and given to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field.”

“All bow your heads and say yes.”

TEMPLE PATRONS: “Yes.” (All patrons sit down.)

PETER: “We and each of us do covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of the secrets of this, the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our bodies be cut asunder in the midst and all our bowels gush out.”

“All bow your heads and say yes.”

TEMPLE PATRONS: “Yes.” (All patrons sit down.)

Death Oaths Made by All Mormon Temple Patrons from the 1930’s until April 1990:

Mormon Temple Death Oath #1:

ELOHIM: “All arise.” (All patrons stand.)

ELOHIM: “Each of you make the sign of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, by bringing your right arm to the square, the palm of the hand to the front, the fingers together, and the thumb extended. This is the sign. Now, repeat in your mind after me the words of the covenant, at the same time representing the execution of the penalty.”

“I ________, think of the new name, covenant before God, angels and these witnesses that I will never reveal the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its accompanying name and sign, and penalty. Rather than do so, I would suffer my life to be taken.”


147 posted on 07/01/2007 2:07:59 PM PDT by FarRockaway (This despotic gerrymander a greater freedom than what once was?)
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