Whoever the current "living prophet" is, that presides over the LDS church at that time. I believe that person is still Gordon B. Hinckley.
Posted on 06/11/2007 8:06:18 AM PDT by ZGuy
I would not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. This is not because I think he is a bad person, or that Mormons in general are evil people - quite the contrary. Most are very “nice” people. In fact, I do not think we could find a more outwardly decent person for president in this country than Mr. Romney.
So what is the problem?
The problem is that Mitt Romney is a Mormon, more, he is a Temple Mormon, and Mormonism is a very aggressive cult, a deceptive religion that leads people to eternal separation from Jesus Christ of the Bible. I ought to know. I used to be a Mormon.
In terms of the secular effects upon government, the public should also be aware that Mormomism’s blood-oaths bind Mitt Romney to obey the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City above the Constitution, above US law, and, yes, above the Christian and Jewish understanding of God. We’ve heard Romney argue that this is all the same bum wrap they laid on Jack Kennedy in the sixties. But it’s not. It’s not the same at all. Here’s why.
A US president with no definite religious beliefs, or a membership in some mainstream Christian denomination, may not have influence that could effect the eternity of individuals, but a man with deep-rooted cultic beliefs would persuade millions of the credibility of Mormonism, especially when taking into consideration that the LDS Church has a nearly sixty thousand strong missionary force. They could and would use President Romney as ”bait” for an introduction into Mormonism, not only in the United States, but around the world.
That’s point number one: does the “In God We Trust” Republic want Mormon missionaries to be the new face of America? Our ambassadors to the world? Picture:
Knock, Knock! “The President thinks Jesus is the brother of Satan – have you heard? Yes, until 1978 the President thought all black people were cursed of God, and could not hold the Mormon priesthood, but no, now he doesn’t believe that any more. Why? Oh, because pressure was put on the Mormon Church to change their teachings on that matter. And their “prophet” got a new “revelation” from his god. It allowed blacks into the priesthood – but nothing else changed. Yes, according to Mormon scriptures, black skin is still a curse from god! That’s the eternal word, don’t you know? But don’t worry. It won’t interfere with the Justice Department…”
The majority of people in this country, as well as elsewhere, are not familiar enough with Mormonism to be able to separate it from traditional Christianity – after all, the buzzwords sound the same. But are they? All Black skin a sign of a curse from God?
The Mormon Church does not believe in the same Christ as biblical Christianity. But even though Mormon President Gordon B. Hinckley, the head guy in Salt Lake City, has said publicly that he does not believe in the Christ of Christianity, Mitt Romney claims Mormonism does. I saw this over and over again while I was a Mormon – there is a systematic deception of the public about what the cult actually believes.
Al Sharpton and the rest of the American public may not know that Mormonism uses all the Christian terms…but that it has given to all of them a totally different meaning. Sharpton probably also may have gotten some vague answers that seemed to speak of the same beliefs, but in reality those compared beliefs are not even close. And Mormon belief, far from being just the private business of a person’s own conscience, has very public consequences for all of us if they reside in the highest office in the land.
Had Sharpton been told the truth, he would have learned that the God of the Mormon Church is not Eternal God of the Bible. He is a creation of Joseph Smith, made after his image.
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man…I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea…you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods have done before you… until you attain to the resurrection of the dead and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings…” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347.)
The Christ I know has always been God, will always be God, and his goal for me is to avoid everlasting burnings, not learn to live in them.
When I was a member of the Mormon Church, they taught me that Jesus Christ was the brother of Lucifer, the devil of Hell, and they still teach that. The Jesus of Mormonism was not begotten by the Holy Ghost, but was the natural physical offspring of an exalted former human being; a ‘god’ who had physical sexual intercourse with Mary.
That’s about as far as you can get from the Virgin Birth.
Are evangelical Christians going to support Mitt Romney’s candidacy if they know more about his beliefs? I sincerely hope not.
Mormonism comes to American Christians preaching “another Jesus”. This is a “Christ” that wasn’t born of a virgin, isn’t the eternally pre-existent Creator, has no inherent supremacy above any average Joe except for what “god” supposedly “earned”, and is allegedly equal in origin to Satan.
My fellow Americans, there could not possibly be a more anti-Christ theology in existence.
I can say with emphasis, as a former Mormon, and as a Christian today, it is without conscience for a Christian to vote for Mitt Romney for President of the United States.
To those more concerned with secular matters, I wish to point out that Mitt Romney’s religion is important if things like consistency, character, duplicity, the rule of law, and constitutional authority…are important.
Consider. Romney knows he’s not a Christian; the President of the Mormon church said so. Yet Romney consistently deceives people about this fact on the campaign trail. He says he believes in Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ who? If your religious beliefs are sincerely your own private business, then here we have someone’s private business causing them to be deceptive in public life. That’s just not OK for the President of the United States. If it was his mutual-funds that were causing him to lie in public about his private affairs, you could see it perhaps more clearly. But it makes no difference. If he’s lying, he’s lying.
But worse, for those who do believe in God, and Romney is supposed to, Romney is playing around with eternal matters…all to get votes.
And that’s supposed to be OK too?
Mitt Romney and Mormons in general maybe nice people as people go, but electing him President would influence millions positively for the Mormon Church - millions who do not know what Mormonism teaches about God, Jesus and salvation. The identity of America since our founding has been Judeo-Christian with all denominations of Christianity and Judaism being present from the earliest stages. The Christian faith is 2000 years old and has formative history in the USA since Jamestown. The Jewish faith is many thousands of years older and the influence of the Jewish Scriptures and people on the USA are also foundational. But Mormonism is a cult founded by polygamists who died in a gun fight, one of which was wanted as a con man in New England, less than two centuries ago. Is that the new ideological face “we the people” wish to represent us to the world? Does religion really “not matter” that much? There is a difference between tolerating your Mormon neighbor and electing him the President…with his finger on the nuclear button.
Only the most faithful of Mormons are eligible to enter a Mormon temple. Mitt Romney is in that elite group - he is a temple-card holding Mormon. I can tell you that not only is he planning on his own godhood after this life, but he has also taken oaths in a Mormon temple to put the LDS church above all else. His oath in the temple was to “consecrate himself, his time, talents, and everything he now has, or will have in the future, for the building up of the Kingdom of God here upon the earth, and for the establishment of Zion”.
It is important to know and understand that the ‘Kingdom of God’ to a Mormon, is not at all the same as the Kingdom of God to a Christian. To a Christian, the phrase means throwing the goodness and love of God into the world wherever you go and sharing the truth with others. But to a Mormon, building the ‘Kingdom of God’ means advancing the physical earthly organization of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City, Utah. That multi-billion-dollar business entity is part of the conglomerate Mitt Romney was referring to when he took that oath. And he cannot talk about that oath, or what goes on in a temple, because of the pact of absolute secrecy.
People who haven’t been under the pressure of the cult don’t understand. They think it all sounds like being afraid of Kennedy responding to the Pope in Rome. No my friends. It’s just not like that. JFK was not even an active, practicing Roman Catholic, nor was he under oaths to protect and promote Vatican City above all else. But Mitt Romney is a temple-Mormon, a former LDS bishop. Nominal believer in a real religion versus all out devotee to a cult…makes a difference.
Governor, we saw Jack Kennedy: We knew Jack Kennedy’s religion; Governor, you're no Jack Kennedy.
Romney’s oath to consecrate himself means that he would have to do all that his church leaders ordered him to do, even if the US Government and her interests were in opposition to the wants and desires of the Mormon Church. And while the Roman Catholic Church or the varieties of Protestant Christianity do not have political theocracy built into their doctrine, Mormonism absolutely does.
And this political aspiration is dangerous. The LDS scriptures show all other churches and their professors (believers) are abomination to God. While Christians may assume that Mormons would deal with “abominations” in the same way that Christians do (i.e. preach the truth and leave the rest up to God) Mormons definitely don’t do that. Please remember September 11th.
On September 11th 1857, the Mormon leadership ordered the massacre of 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas. After a first attack failed, the Mormons brokered a cease-fire with the settlers, persuading them to lay down their guns. Then the Mormons fell on them and murdered every man, woman, and child over 8-years of age. The leader of the massacred was none other than Brigham Young’s adopted son, a Mormon bishop, John D. Lee. He personally authorized and carried out the mass-murder along with other Mormon leaders from the area. The justification? The men, women, and children massacred were abominations, infidels.
That sounds too much like Osama bin Laden’s religion for my taste, thank you.
Romney, as a temple-card holding Mormon, accepts and believes non-Mormons are “abominations”, whether he admits it or not to his voters. But consider these politics: Joseph Smith was, in a secret ceremony of his council of fifty, “ordained as the King to rule and reign over the House of Israel forever.” Joseph Smith was also a candidate for presidency. And Smith made a prophecy concerning the elders of the Mormon church, saying they must save this country’s government and the world.
September 11th, 1857 is not too long ago.
Here is a last disturbing thought. It’s hardly the absolute last – you could fill books with the alarming oaths and political pacts of Mormons. But think about this:
Mitt Romney’s grandfather swore an oath against the United States of America. The oath said, “You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, that you will teach the same to your children and to your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.”
So Mitt Romney was taught what?
I don’t know about you, but I expect most American grandfathers were working to build this nation, not making blood-oaths of vengeance on behalf of their pastors against the stars and stripes.
This oath was discontinued 80 years ago – like so many of the objectionable Mormon doctrines when they come out into the light of day. But Mitt Romney’s grandfather, great grandfather and great-great grandfather have all sworn that oath. Is that American?
Generations of Romney’s forefathers swearing blood-vengeance against the United States of America? And family oaths to avenge blood against the nation have no meaning when selecting a man to put his finger on the launch-button? We forget: hundreds of millions of lives will be at the mercy of this man, this President of the United States. Who are we picking here?
Let me ask you one last thing. If Satan were a good looking man, running for office, and he said that anyone who was against his religion was just, you know, a religious bigot, would that argument hold water with you?
It’s perfectly OK to ask what’s in the religion.
And it’s perfectly OK to vote for someone else if that religion is deeply wrong.
I think the key part of the article that is a relevant question re: blood oaths is this part:
Mitt Romney’s grandfather swore an oath against the United States of America. The oath said, “You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, that you will teach the same to your children and to your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.”
Since the above oath was part of the temple endowment procdure until Feb. 15, 1927...did Mitt's grandfather and/or great-grandfather swear this oath? Is not Mitt part of that "third or fourth generation"?
Note this statement by John D. Lee: “Brigham raised his hand and said, ‘I swear by the eternal Heavens that I have unsheathed my sword, and I will never return it until the blood of the Prophet Joseph and Hyrum, and those who were slain in Missouri, is avenged. This whole nation is guilty of shedding their blood, by assenting to the deed, and holding its peace.’ ... Furthermore, every one who had passed through their endowments, in the Temple, were placed under the most sacred obligations to avenge the blood of the Prophet, whenever an opportunity offered, and to teach their children to do the same, thus making the entire Mormon people sworn and avowed enemies of the American nation.” (Mormonism Unveiled, 1877, p. 160)
LOL, gotta love when all that is used against us, are a bunch of anti-mormon books and websites. Kinda like the liberals using the MSM as their sources for truth.
*claps*
We have a catholic majority on the supreme court so who cares?
Must be an early morning for you. That would be AINO.
Have another cup of coffee and try again.
...and yes, i missed your subsequent post...CDL heads for the coffee pot...
Well, certainly there are many shades of the Pratt-McLean story, depending upon whom you cite. (I think the one thing they all agree on was that Eleanor McLean was separated from her husband, Hector, but not divorced). Also, most historians, LDS & otherwise, do link the Pratt murder as one of the escalating factors of Southern Utah Mormons to distrust--or avenge--a wagon train party from Arkansas.
As for the blood oath as being part of the LDS temple ceremonies doesn't need "anti-Mormon" sources:
“... omit from the prayer circle all reference to avenging the blood of the prophets.” (Apostle George F. Richards, Apostle, 2/15/1927, as cited by John Buerger, “The Development of the Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony,” Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Winter 1987, v. 20, no. 4, p. 55).
All you have to do is read the U.S. Senate history of the confirmation of LDS apostle Reed Smoot as senator & you'll see that this oath was part of the investigation into accepting Smoot.
Indeed he did. Undoubtedly he was not happy with the USA at that point. It appears that he cursed us with Carter so that we would repent and vote for Reagan.
Personally, I believe that God doesn't get involved in human politics.
Then I guess you either 1) have not read the Bible, or 2) don't believe the Bible. That's not unusual.
That's why we much act on our own faith and values and vote accordingly — if God's plan is not put in place on this Earth, it's our fault, not His.
I sense you are a Deist. I also sense that you believe that God does not know the future, that he has no control over his own plans, and that he is as surprised by current events as we are. That, IMO, is pretty a frightening theological worldview. If God is not intervening is politics and controlling the destiny of the earth, then quite frankly it would appear that we are doomed.
full disclosure, I am Catholic
Is this verse in the Catholic bible?
The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. (Proverbs 21:1 KJV)
God is in control.
Thank God.
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What merits?
I disagree very strongly with Mormon theology. But this article is a bit over the top. If elected Romney will take an oath to uphold the Constitution. Unless proven otherwise I will believe he would not run for office if he could not honestly keep that oath.
I also thought that the blood oaths of the temple endowment ended in the 60’s. I invite any LDS tell me if this is true.
And comparing the attacks of 2001 by Muslim fanatics to the Mountain Meadow Massacre is very low. I am not defending the massacre it was horrid. But since no such attacks ever occurred again I think we can safely conclude that it was an isolated incident condemned by LDS. Besides the real motive was most likely not religious but larcenous. The train contained extremely valuable thorougbred horses which certain LDS members coveted.
Oh, that sounds woefully uninformed. How many RINOs do you know who do things like this:
He vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell research
He vetoed a bill that provided for the "morning after pill" without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
Governor Romney strongly supported a successful ballot initiative that replaced the state's bilingual program with English immersion. (Romney Vows to Protect English Immersion Law, May 1, 2003)
Governor Romney demonstrated his commitment to school-choice by vetoing a bill that would have canceled funding for Massachusetts' charter-school program. (Romney to Veto Charter School Moratorium, June 23, 2004)
He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students.
In the four balanced budgets he signed into law, Governor Romney used the line-item veto or program reduction power to cut spending by nearly $1 Billion.
Over the course of four budgets, Governor Romney made over 300 line-item reductions, 350 line-item eliminations and struck language 150 times
Gov. Romney was instrumental in passing a bill abolishing a retroactive capital gains tax in the state that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay an additional $200 million in state taxes and fees
Who is the prophet?
Whoever the current "living prophet" is, that presides over the LDS church at that time. I believe that person is still Gordon B. Hinckley.
It is. President Hinckley is still alive and kicking, at almost 97 years of age.
I’m an ex-Mormon too, and sorry, this guy is full of crap. I’d vote for Romney in a heartbeat over Hillary or any other Democrat, thanks.
What a load of unadulterated guano. That "oath" was nothing of the kind. There was no vengeance sworn against the country. Vengeance was sworn against the cowardly murderers who mobbed together and killed Joseph and Hyrum Smith in cold blood, spilling their blood upon the ground of this nation.
The murderers of the Smith brothers died long, long ago. This author is a liar, a distorter, and has a personal axe to grind against the Church. Once again, he proves that many of those who leave the Church are incapable of leaving it alone.
Good article, thanks. I did learn a bit about Mormonism. know.
Never mind - I see it was moved here by the religion moderator. Strange.
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