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To: DaveMSmith; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; .30Carbine
Hence it is now that those who are in the spiritual affection of truth have an internal acknowledgment of it. As the angels are in that affection they utterly reject the dogma that the understanding should be kept in subjection to faith; for they say, What is it to believe a thing, and not to see whether it is true? ... Angelic wisdom consists solely in this, that angels see and comprehend what they think.

Thank you so much DaveMSmith for this beautiful excerpt from Swedenborg!

It seems to me faith leads the internal acknowledgement of truth. For God is truth; the created soul has truth innately, for God made us in His image and likeness. And has placed us in the creation, a divine work of incredible beauty that testifies to the glory of the Creator, ever manifesting the truth of God's creative and sustaining Word, the Logos.

But truth is often smothered by dogma. Where God wants us to live in direct communion with Himself and His truth (for which we are equipped to be responsive partners in the divine-human dialogue), a dogma is a reduction or "hypostatization" of truth, not the living truth itself.

If that makes any sense! :^) My two cents, FWIW.

660 posted on 06/15/2007 9:23:21 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: betty boop; DaveMSmith; Alamo-Girl; .30Carbine; Heretic; Whosoever
[.. Angelic wisdom consists solely in this, that angels see and comprehend what they think. ..]

And yet some(Angels), it is said, rebelled against God.. Angels have seen God.. and some of them bought the lie deciding "good and evil" for yourself will make you like God.. Which was repeated to Eve and Adam by Satan which believed it himself(probably)..

Angels seem to have a different or no bodies like humans bodies since they can be invisible to men.. they are spirits.. It is possible that "what humans ARE" can be some of the angels that bought the lie(but repented) getting a second chance.. Meaning an (angelic)spirit injected into a human body for a test.. with evil and good angels influencing that human for "its" earthly life on this planet.. i.e. a second chance..

What a drama that would be.. No doubt there would "rules" for both angelic sides of the contest.. Each human testing platform(human life) would be like a chess board.. Being "born again" could be like "QUEENING" in chess..

If SOooo, I wonder if there is a LINE(somewhere) in a heavenly queue waiting for a human body to be concieved so another angelic being could assume the "second chance"(prodigal son- parable) in the/this earthly drama/soap opera/contest/maze of testing..

This scenario would/could solve Not only mankind's but the angels rebellion problem(since humans are really angels).. so that God could eventually get down to populating the Universe or some other creative task..

Anyway this would make a good novel...
"Truth, of course, must of necessity be stranger than fiction, for we have made fiction to suit ourselves."-G.K. Chesterton

"The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction HAS to make sense" - Tom Clancy

668 posted on 06/15/2007 10:31:38 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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