[OLD REGGIE]

Hypothesis contrary to fact is such a bad way to make an argument. Despite your quote and citation, it is not a fact, so who can tell if it would be a dig if it were.

I was a young fella in the 40's when the campaign was underway to announce "infallibly" the Bodily Assumption Of Mary". During those years there was much discussion amongst Catholics, Clergy, Theologians, and otherwise as to the "Truth" of this matter.

Discussion was allowed. Argument was allowed. Then, BANG! Pius XII announced it infallibly and we were ordered to shut off our thinker and believe. No options!

When you are ordered to submit your will and intellect, and do so, of what use is your thinker?

[Mad Dawg]

When you are ordered to submit your will and intellect, and do so, of what use is your thinker?

I thought I addressed that in my analogy to geometry and calculus. Furthermore doctrine like that has ripples. So following them out will keep everyone happily occupied for a while.

I just read (okay, Skimmed) an article by Pannenberg (sp?) which went into some recent work on the Trinity. I wouldn't say defining that doctrine has stifled thought much. I personal am grateful for the bounds because I see the problems with Sabellianism and Arianism and all, and I find the interplay between the trinity and the Chalcedonian definition everlastingly beguiling.

I really don't have much trouble with Mary as a proleptic embodiment of all the gifts and promises "purchased for us" by the life death and resurrection (etc.) of our Lord, and working out how J2P2's "doctrine of the body" is related to it is surely somebody's doctoral thesis.

Plenty of thinking yet to do.

[trisham]

Discussion was allowed. Argument was allowed. Then, BANG! Pius XII announced it infallibly and we were ordered to shut off our thinker and believe. No options!

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Are you Catholic?

[Aquinasfan]

When you are ordered to submit your will and intellect, and do so, of what use is your thinker?

How did this dogmatic teaching restrict your thinking?

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How can the Church, which Scripture calls "the pillar and foundation of truth," teach anything authoritatively if Catholics are permitted to reject any dogmatic teaching?

[Quix]

Good points, imho.