[armydoc]

What you say is correct and is why we need Tradition and the Magisterium to tell us what the early church believed in this situation.

Then why did the authors of this article (and Catholics on this board) try to make an argument based on scripture? The only valid argument, it would seem to me, is "the Church tells me so".

[tiki]

Because the non-Catholics always tell us to prove what we believe by quoting Scripture as they believe the Magisterium and Tradition are wrong beliefs, which really is a straw man because they insist that we follow their beliefs to explain our own and even when we believe it is clear through Scripture, it doesn't fit their own interpretation.

With 10,000 interpretations of Scripture I really don't think that it is profitable to quote Scripture because it is often quoted out of context and by the prejudices of the reader/interpreter. We believe that the Church received the Holy Spirit on Pentacost and has guided the church for over 2000 yrs.

I get caught up with it like everyone else but our faith rests on the belief that the Spirit which Jesus promised truly arrived and abides in the church. Therefore, if we leave out Tradition and Magisterium, to explain our belief, whether someone else believes it or not., we are at fault. We have a rich history to draw from.