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To: ears_to_hear
I asked for your source on that belief and if they, like God are omnipresent.

Scripturally, in Revelation the saints offer up our prayers to God, so they are aware of our prayers. They are only omnipresent to the extent that they are with God and He is omnipresent. No one is like God. And no Catholic who knows their faith would say or imply that the saints have any supernatural power outside of God's power.

If I had my friends and they were never separated from me then they would be with me wherever I went. Consider Romans 8:33-39, I will assume beforehand that you will challenge it but so be it.

623 posted on 06/06/2007 5:55:14 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki
Scripturally, in Revelation the saints offer up our prayers to God, so they are aware of our prayers. They are only omnipresent to the extent that they are with God and He is omnipresent. No one is like God. And no Catholic who knows their faith would say or imply that the saints have any supernatural power outside of God's power.

That is not exactly what the scripture says tiki

Lets look at it

Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer [it] with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, [which came] with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

You are defining the word saint as Saint . In scripture ( the time of the revelation) the word saint had only one application and that was to the believers in the living church.. The greek here is hagios or "holy one" not canonized people that have died and gone to heaven . The elect, the believers in the NT are called saints.

Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints (.hagios )

Those are OUR prayers that the angels are offering up to God . You have to read scripture through scripture.God chose greek for the NT because it is the most precise language.If John meant something other than the living saints he would have said so

They are only omnipresent to the extent that they are with God and He is omnipresent. No one is like God. And no Catholic who knows their faith would say or imply that the saints have any supernatural power outside of God's power.

If they are not omnipresent, how do they hear all the prayers of all the people all over the world praying at one time ?

646 posted on 06/06/2007 6:35:49 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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