Posted on 06/05/2007 10:53:58 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
Believe it or not, we proddies also embrace the Holy Communion Sacrament. Now, if it is literal or figurative, that's one of those minor quibbles.
Honestly, I don't a big problem with either interpretation.
As I said, there is lots of personal variation in the vary large spectrum of Christian belief. I’ve come across Christians who are keeping Jewish dietary law, and saying that Jesus’s “nothing that goes into a man can render him unclean,” with St. John’s comment, “Thus He declared all foods clean,” somehow didn’t apply to them.
As a child I lived next door to a Catholic family of 12. If you were there when the Dr. came in after his evening rounds you were rounded up to say the rosary. Mind you, I only lived next door but I always stayed.
There are so many things that kept leading me to the Catholic church but this is one of them. I actually never heard the middle of the prayer because they stressed the 1st and last parts and the middle was a muddle. Hail Mary, full of grace, mumble, mumble, mumble, now and at the hour of our death.
One day 30 some yrs later, my co-worker was making copies of something that obviously wasn't work related. (It was ok, her parents owned the business) I have no idea why I asked what it was because it was none of my business and normally I wouldn't have. She said it was "How to say the Rosary" and she was copying it for her Catechism class. So I asked if I could look at it, and told her the above story and she gave me a copy. Little did I know....
For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
58 posted on 06/05/2007 4:15:02 PM MDT by sandyeggo
It means I don't need ten for a "Minyan"
b'shem Yah'shua
Your not translating vain correctly, from Matthew 6:7 the word vain is the Greek battologeo which means to stammer or repeat the same thing over and over again it as noting to do with vanity or the attention seeking he addressed in 6:5.
I'll bet you say that to all the boys.
(Owww! You hurt my brain.)
Quite true. Plus, praying the model prayer and meaning it is a far cry from the repetition of Hail Marys. Unless they want to admit Mary is near deity in the eyes of Catholicism, which I doubt any would be bold enough to say.
After reading your post I now realize that, not only am I not catholic, I’m not protestant either.
I’m just happy to be a Bible-believing Christian. All this extra-biblical mumbo jumbo only seems to confuse people.
I didn’t follow the whole thing the other day, what was your conclusion on baptism’s relation to salvation?
I’m just asking your opinion, friend. Must a person be baptized in order to gain salvation?
Mine has the logo of Guinness, made at ST. JAMES’S GATE, Dublin, IE on the back, however.
We’d love you on our side wearing one.
;-o)
Your South African Pinotage is getting a cult following akin to my Guinness, Mrs. Tax.
Perhaps we don't "repeat it over and over", but almost every Protestant service I've ever attended has included the Lord's Prayer. I would say that most Protestants do say it. I don't believe that saying a prayer in the same way that Jesus taught us is vain and repetitious. If you repeat something as though it were some magical incantation, without any thought as to meaning, I might agree, but I don't think that's the case with most folks when they say these words. In fact, for me, the Lord's Prayer is often a way for me to begin to talk to God, when too many times my own words fail me.
So... What about the angels praying repetitiously? Revelation 4:8: “...and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.”
And, the liturgy of the synagogue was (and is) filled with repetition and formalized prayer. Christ said “use not vain repetitions, as the heathens do”. Were the Jews heathens? They prayed (and still pray) the sh’ma twice a day and, in their liturgy, the Shemoneh Esrei, the Kaddish, the morning blessings, the Aleinu, etc. Check out a Jewish siddur (missal) sometime; does it look more typically Protestant or Catholic?
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