Protestants and the rosary

Paternosters Blogspot ^ | February 26, 2007 | Chris Laning

[Blogger]

I am not going to argue with you.

[Frank Sheed]

Believe it... Tremble at the thought! I know that there is some reason why I was NOT supposed to say the rosary and some evil force destroying those beads. Call it what you will, since I took action it has not happened again.

[N3WBI3]

no, I mean I cant argue against it because there is a basis in scripture for that kind of love.

[markomalley]

I have had it a long time, I will try to dig up the source. I think it was a part of a Litany of Mary

I do sincerely appreciate it.

I know that there are a lot of titles applied to the Blessed Virgin in the various litanies. Holder of the keys (or something like that) is not one of them that I remember, at least ;)

When you get a chance I would like to see it.

[Iscool]

Son to become man in the womb of an unholy woman?

Could it be so that God could take on the UN-Holy attributes of man and be tempted by sin???

[Frank Sheed]

I started this thread. Do you see a scoreboard anywhere, pj? That is a classical “gotcha” response. Truth is not always so simple, is it?

[DungeonMaster]

1 Samuel 28:15 is an example of necromancy, praying to Mary isn't. Catholics aren't trying to "raise her up." They don't expect her to open the door and ask, "Now what do you want?"

Raising up is not the only thing that spiritists do. Seeking help in any way from the dead is spiritism.

Deuteronomy 18:11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. Raising up the dead is not even the same thing as a spiritist. They are two distinct things.

[Enosh]

Correct.

Link

"The formal active essence of original sin was not removed from her soul, as it is removed from others by baptism; it was excluded, it never was in her soul. Simultaneously with the exclusion of sin."

Many proddies have trouble with that one, holding that God alone is sinless.

[Frank Sheed]

Here's your prize. Next?

[pjr12345]

Oh

[Enosh]

Okay, we agree that praying to Mary isn't necromancy, but spiritism? Hmm...

I think we may be reading that word differently.

Link

"The Second Plenary Council of Baltimore (1866), while making due allowance for fraudulent practice in Spiritism, declares that some at least of the manifestations are to be ascribed to Satanic intervention, and warns the faithful against lending any support to Spiritism or even, out of curiosity, attending séances (Decreta, nn. 33-41)."

[pjr12345]

The YOPIOS defense is widely used when a Scriptural point cannot be refuted. It is a debate ender because the originator of the post creates an insurmountable divide that cannot be breached. Therefore, taking its use as one’s surrender of rationality and reason is fair.

YOPIOS always loses!

[Iscool]

I wonder where Mary’s throne is, in Heaven. I wonder how many times we can find reference to it by either the Lord of His Father

Must be in Maccabees or the gospel of Clement...And they didn't come with my bible so I can't verify it...

[Enosh]

'They don't expect her to open the door and ask, "Now what do you want?"'

BTW, that would be pretty funny if she did.

[pjr12345]

If I’m drinking, I’m following my doctor’s advise. A glass of red wine please!

[DungeonMaster]

The bible lists just about everything one can imagine as not to do to communicate with the dead. It then gives us hundreds of examples of prayer and not a single one involves talking to the dead. Why not simply pray the way the bible says instead of trying to wiggle a certain form of spiritism into Christianity?

[Iscool]

And the rich man never communicated with Lazarus...He ask Abraham to communicate to Lazarus for him...

[1000 silverlings]

Did Abraham get back to him?

[DungeonMaster]

And the rich man never communicated with Lazarus...He ask Abraham to communicate to Lazarus for him...

There was no communication from the dead one of many reasons that it doesn't happen. Thanks.

[Enosh]

I don’t know, I don’t think a have an adequate answer for you. But I can say that I view praying to Mary as more of a mistake than a sin.

I’m sure there’s someone here who can give you a better reply.