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To: pjr12345
I've used this a couple of times already this week with this same argument, but it works...so here it is again...

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Now, answer me this...Is belief and confession a work? Is that your claim?

Also, as an earlier poster said, if baptisim were nessessary for salvation, it would be mentioned EVERY TIME that belief is. It's not, so do we have to guess? In Christ, Wiley

54 posted on 06/04/2007 4:29:35 PM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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To: WileyPink
Would it be mentioned every time? Not necessarily. Even "belief" is not mentioned every time. Again, if you take each verse in isolation you wind up with a whole slew of contradictory statements. That means that the Bible is erroneous, or that the verses need to be considered together.

John 3:16 -- For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Rom 10:9 -- 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Acts 2:38 -- 38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16 -- 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Heb 5:9 -- 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Taken in isolation, we've a real big problem on our hands. Taken together, we see the full doctrine of salvation by faith unfold.

58 posted on 06/04/2007 4:56:16 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I'm a Christian Conservative Republican, NOT a Republican Conservative Christian.)
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To: WileyPink
Also, as an earlier poster said, if baptisim were nessessary for salvation, it would be mentioned EVERY TIME that belief is. It's not, so do we have to guess? In Christ, Wiley

Every time baptism and salvation are mention together in the same verse .Baptism is always Before salvation

Mark 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.’” Acts 22:16 “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” Romans 6:4 “Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” I Peter 3:21 “There is also an antitype which now saves us, namely baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

so do we have to guess

114 posted on 06/05/2007 10:43:36 AM PDT by bremenboy (Just Because I Am Born Again Doesn't Mean I was Born Again Yesterday)
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