Posted on 06/03/2007 6:11:12 PM PDT by Titanites
You don’t help people who don’t believe in Christ by erecting idols which enable them to persist in their error. Food or medical care is one thing. Pagan temples are quite another and a church that goes forward with such a plan is no less guilty than Aaron was for building the golden calf.
We’ll have to disagree on this. Showing good Christian example by helping others in need is a great way to evangelize.
“Wow, you keep statistics on all posters?! That’s a little obsessive, wouldn’t you agree?”
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I did not read it that way
what’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
Or if you perfer...
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander
to deny is what makes it lopsdied!:)
Yes, they were the Universal Catholic Church founded by our Lord on Peter's confession.
The doctrine they followed was the New Testament.
NO THEY DIDN'T IT HAD NOT BEEN WRITTEN YET.
It was described in the New Testament as “the church of Christ” and “the church of God”, no where is it ever described as Catholic.
Catholic means universal.
If Catholics want to go down this road it will open many of their eyes to the truth of their traditionalisms that has nothing to do with the first church of Christ.
Untrue.
Praying to Mary is not in the New Testament, it is totally invented by the Catholics.
Mary was still alive when most Scripture was being written. Catholics DON'T PRAY TO THE BLESSED MOTHER NOW, WE ASK HER TO PRAY FOR US. And if Marian beliefs were so "unscriptural" why did EVERY MAJOR PROTESTANT REFORMER emphasize them?
Baptizing infants is not in the New Testament, it was totally invented by the Catholics.
Infant baptism is practiced by every major Protestant group except Baptists, there is nothing uniquely Catholic about this. Keep in mind that ALL OF THE BAPTISMS IN SCRIPTURE THAT OCCURRED AFTER THE RESURRECTION WERE OF JEWS OR PAGANS. Scripture is totally silent regarding children bort to Christians. Of course non-believers were baptized as adults, this doesn't mean that their children weren't.
Well at least you aren’t wasting your bashing on Baptists.
That must have been a long thought out and difficult decision. My prayers are with you.
“Given that Mohammed’s revelation owes so much to the Jews, perhaps the best way to thing of it as a distortion of Judaism.”
I’d say that Islam is basically warmed-over Arianism.
There were still a lot of Arians in the deserts of Arabia. Mohammed probably learned Arianism directly from these as he went from place to place as a caravan trader. Influenced by the many religions in the region, he probably saw the doctrine of the Arians as the best compromise around which to found his own syncretistic monotheistic religion.
sitetest
you miss my point entirely and conveniently
You guys worship Allah???
When Arabic speaking Catholics, Baptists and other Protestants worship Allah, who do you think they are worshipping?
Except that Mohammed has come to take the place of Jesus in the Muslim scheme, and their Mohammed is more like Moses than the Jesus of Arius. But it is true that early Christians did see Islam as a kind of Christian heresy. And it is true that the philosophes found Islam to be like Socinianism, which is a kind of updated Arianism.
I might allow for a few baptist “denominations,” but the truth is that the very belief in “independent local church” that is one of the hallmarks of all but a few baptist bodies means that EVERY local church is its own denomination OR that the definition of the word “denomination” we are using does not take into account this unique characteristic of the baptist faith.
A denomination is a group with doctrinal distinctives that set them uniquely apart from other groups. In my mind, that does not make “independent” baptists and southern baptists 2 unique groups.
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God bless him.
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That’s why I called it “warmed-over Arianism” rather than pure Arianism.
Nonetheless, the incorporation of fundamental Arian doctrine is unmistakable:
- Jesus as Word of God;
- born of the Virgin by the power of the holy spirit of God;
- Jesus as Messiah and prophet;
- Jesus returning as Judge on the Last Day.
I’d say that Islam takes Arianism a step further, in that if Jesus is not the eternal Son of God and God the Son, then why can’t there be another prophet to follow?
sitetest
That is a fine one!
Guess you are right. Jacques Jomier, OP has it in “The Bible and the Qur’an that Islam is a rejection if both Judaism and Christianity and posits the Qur’an as a correction of what they teach. Not only must all submit to God but all must obey the Qur’an and its Prophet. Islam rejects the whole notion of redemption. Each man is responsible for his own deeds. In this it outdoes Pelagius. Father Jomier also has an interstying point, which is how much success means as an indication of God’s favor. The last two hubndred years have been hell on earth for many Muslims, since they have seen nothing except failure. Very worldly religion. Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world,” meaning that HE is the kingdom. Mohammed wants to introduce a kingdom on earth, which is, I guess why he so appealed to the Enlightenment. Little did they seem to know that Islam is against all they held dear.
93 out of Luthifer’s 95 theses were being addressed by the Church. The other two were denial of the True Presence, and the Priesthood.
Yesh, I was wondering whether First Baptist was a denomination of the baptists or what. Of course I knew better because each of what we would call parishes is a denomination unto itself, as each parishioner is a denomination unto him or herself.
I always thought it was odd that Protestants don’t trust Catholics to be right on theology, but they trusted them on the Bible, which the Catholics assembled, with only minor deletions.
I always found it odd that the Protestant unbiblical invention known as “sola scriptura” did lead all practitioners to the same conclusion. Or why it is that each unlearned individual practitioner of YOPIOS can conclude that YOPIOS is correct and 2000 years of Church teaching is wrong, especially when 2Peter 3:16 flatly warns against YOPIOS.
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