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To: Petronski; xzins
Xzins said: “It will forever be true that there is no scriptural basis for rcc mariology: immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix. It simply cannot be demonstrated biblically.”

Petronski said: “You are also, of course, entitled to your own personal interpretation of scripture.”

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It's time for the Pepsi challenge, the Degree “all in moment” folks!!

Petronski - You state that xzins is wrong in saying the following items are not provable by scripture. Very well. Prove then, purely from scripture, these things:

immaculate conception, assumption, co-redemptrix.

This is a sincere, respectful request. It is not a request to set up some good old fashioned RCC bashing (which I’m soooooooooooooooooooooo tired of hearing all non RCCr’s do which is ridiculous to imply), it’s a request for proof, scripturally, of those things you state are provable. All I want to see is an answer, not a diversion, not a new topic, not a question to turn it back on me to prove they are not provable, but rather a simple answer to defend your position.

Before you even ask, infer or say I’m bashing I’ll share my beliefs so you can focus on your answers. I believe that Mary is the most blessed woman ever as scripture tells us she will be called. She carried Christ inside her and was/is his mother, how could she not be?!? She is an exceptional example of being devoted to Christ as she recognized the need for a savior for all mankind, including herself. She is most undoubtedly in heaven with her Son. I believe her example of being devoted to her Son is what we should be, devoted to Christ and to spreading the good news of His sacrifice to save us from our sin. I don’t know if she was or was not a virgin forever. I don’t believe that fact is intrinsically interwoven into the question of salvation. If she devoted herself to be a virgin for all her days or if God made that so it is great either way - in other words it does not impact salvation. Could we be saved if she was either or? Of course. I believe the Holy Spirit could have in fact made her perfectly pure when Christ was conceived and growing in her womb, however I do not believe Mary was without sin in all her days. That is not to say God could not have done that if he chose, he clearly can do whatever His will desires. I don’t know if Mary was assumpted to heaven or not. If she was, then it is a blessing for her to be brought to heaven to be in God’s presence. If she was not and was brought to the glory of God’s presence that way then that is a blessing as well. The point is it is not how she arrives that is important but rather that she would be blessed to be in God’s presence forever. I believe it always, has been, is and always will be all about God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. We all are God’s workmanship built to do the works He desires to do thru us. We are His servants. We are his subjects who He has chosen to save. How lucky and blessed are we?

Thank you and Blessings to you in Christ

PM

482 posted on 06/02/2007 1:19:38 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: phatus maximus; Petronski

I am willing to defend my assertion.

Proposition: The immaculate conception, the assumption, and the coredemption of Mary cannot be demonstrated from the old & new testaments of the bible.


484 posted on 06/02/2007 1:25:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: phatus maximus

Those sincerely interested in an answer will make quick study of the topic on the online Catechism of the Catholic Church, here:

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm


487 posted on 06/02/2007 1:37:24 PM PDT by Petronski (Keep your eye on www.fredthompson.com very soon.)
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