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To: fortheDeclaration

“We cannot both be right.”

Exactly. And pre-empting God’s authority by judging the state of another’s soul is a huge sin.

The random scripture generator thrown into an argument is just another attempt to justify one’s need to judge another’s soul.

God’s judges souls and hearts. Men have laws because we are fallen. Don’t confuse the authority to judge by the laws with God’s authority to see the hidden things of the heart and soul.

You don’t have the authority to judge the soul. No one save God has that.


211 posted on 05/29/2007 10:06:25 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
“We cannot both be right.” Exactly. And pre-empting God’s authority by judging the state of another’s soul is a huge sin.

And preaching a false Gospel is a greater sin (Gal.1)

The random scripture generator thrown into an argument is just another attempt to justify one’s need to judge another’s soul. God’s judges souls and hearts. Men have laws because we are fallen. Don’t confuse the authority to judge by the laws with God’s authority to see the hidden things of the heart and soul.

I raised a simple question with you.

Which is the correct Biblical view on salvation.

Is it faith plus works or faith plus nothing?

God is going to judge each person on which one he has accepted and which one he has rejected.

You don’t have the authority to judge the soul. No one save God has that.

I have the authority, as a believer to tell you how a soul is saved.

It is your responsiblity to accept or reject it.

Save the 'who am I to judge' nonsense.

Christ told the Jews to make a right judgement.

God will judge the hearts, He judges to see if the heart has been changed by faith in Christ (Tit.3:5)

If not, that person will be standing at the Great White Throne Judgement explaining why he called God a liar (1Jn.5:10)

So answer the question, is Trent right or was Luther?

212 posted on 05/29/2007 10:18:11 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: OpusatFR; fortheDeclaration
The random scripture generator thrown into an argument is just another attempt to justify one's need to judge another's soul.

I've seen this line tossed out all over the forum by RCs who should know better. The generator" is the Bible and there's nothing "random" about it. We're told to live according to the word of God. If it's not in Scripture, it's error.

"The Bible is thought of as authoritative on everything of which it speaks.  Moreover, it speaks of everything. We do not mean that it speaks of football games, of atoms, etc., directly, but we do mean that it speaks of everything either directly or by implication. It tells us not only of the Christ and his work, but it also tells us who God is and where the universe about us has come from.  It tells us about theism as well as about Christianity.  It gives us a philosophy of history as well as history.  Moreover, the information on these subjects is woven into an inextricable whole.  It is only if you reject the Bible as the word of God that you can separate the so-called religious and moral instructions of the Bible from what it says, e.g., about the physical universe." --  Cornelius Van Til, Christian Apologetics (Phillipsburg, NJ:  Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co., 1976), p.2.

"That God's word damns your ceremonies it is evident; for the plain and straight commandment of God is, 'Not that thing which appears good in thy eyes shalt thou do to the Lord thy God, but what the Lord thy God has commanded thee; that do thou; add nothing to it; diminish nothing from it.' Now unless you are able to prove that God has commanded your ceremonies, this his former commandment will damn both you and them." -- John Knox (Knox, Works, 1:199. Cf. Calvin, The Necessity of Reforming the Church, in Tracts, 1:128-29.)

"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:15-20


215 posted on 05/29/2007 11:59:59 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OpusatFR
The random scripture generator thrown into an argument is just another attempt to justify one’s need to judge another’s soul.

LOL - you set off the random scripture generator with that comment (which also proved your point).

223 posted on 01/01/2008 11:35:52 AM PST by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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