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To: DreamsofPolycarp

You have a warped sense of what you call the “Roman Church”.


175 posted on 05/28/2007 3:13:36 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
You have a warped sense of what you call the “Roman Church”

Doubtless this is true, and I find joy in repenting when my understanding is made more complete. I don't want to hate or speak contemptously of other professing believers.

That said: Do you deny the Council of Trent?

specifically, the following:
CANON 9: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

CANON 12: "If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed"

Canon 14: "If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because that he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema."

Canon 23: "lf any one saith, that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the other hand, that he is able, during his whole life, to avoid all sins, even those that are venial,- except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard of the Blessed Virgin; let him be anathema."

Canon 24: "If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema."

Canon 30: "If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema."

Canon 33: "If any one saith, that, by the Catholic doctrine touching Justification, by this holy Synod inset forth in this present decree, the glory of God, or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ are in any way derogated from, and not rather that the truth of our faith, and the glory in fine of God and of Jesus Christ are rendered (more) illustrious; let him be anathema.

Let me hasten to add, that although NO ONE CAN TRULY HOLD TO THE ABOVE AND BE SAVED, yet I believe many Roman Catholics either have
1) hearts better than their heads -- they don't really understand that stuff, or
2) no knowledge that the Church teaches such horrible doctrine, or
3) believes that this was just a "lapse" in the church, that men, including popes, are sinners and just in error, and that "no one really believes that anymore"

I know many precious Roman Catholic believers, and I should add that the abortion issue was addressed ONLY by Catholics for many years (1973-1980) while protestants were silent. Those people (many of whom I know) are true 20th century Christian heroes.

178 posted on 05/28/2007 3:39:46 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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