Posted on 05/22/2007 6:24:41 PM PDT by NYer
The world has changed. Some of it is hard to cope with...The language, the belly buttons, the tattoos...and the filthy, rotten music.
It's one of those typical Southern sagas -- she was "old blood and no money" -- her family was well connected Charleston and Tidewater VA, but had fallen on evil days when her great-grandparents died of yellow fever. She grew up in a little shotgun house on the poor side of Augusta GA.
She married the boy next door and he worked hard, became an engineer and eventually an executive for Westinghouse. So as an executive's wife she had to dress like that, part of the job description. Plus I think it was a reassurance to her that she had re-established the family fortunes.
BTW, they never would let my mom 'make her debut' because they didn't want her running with the idle rich.
“Moreover, the Church has the authority to change rules such as this, especially since this particular requirement was not something essential to the nature of the liturgy. Times change. Get over it.”
amen.
And when I go to sit in front of the tabernacle without a veil on does anyone think I am offending or shocking Jesus?
He created my head of hair afterall.
I can relate because I debated whether or not to wear a mantilla when I would attend a Novus Ordo Mass (I almost always attend a TLM). I don't like to draw attention to myself, but I believe it is pleasing to God to cover my head in church. So, I wore the mantilla when attending a N.O. Mass and usually sat towards the back. As far as I could tell, most people didn't pay any attention to my headcovering. Occasionally, there would be another lady or two with their heads covered.
A Chanel suit is ALWAYS in style and appropriate for many different occasions.
You have got to be kidding. Tissue=renouncing. Now I have heard everything.
People with common sense, obviously!
It's interesting how customs change over time. My college roommates included a black woman from Houston and a Filipina from California, and they both made a debut in their hometowns. Their mothers wore hats, too :-).
Christ gave the Church the power to bind and to loose, that is, to make rules or to unmake them. And the Church has decided that this passage of Scripture is not binding today.
It is a sign of subjugation. And as a child I felt like a second-class Catholic having to cover my head. If you want to cover your head, fine. But don’t act as though you are holier than those of us who don’t. It is not disrespectful or impious for a woman not to cover her head in church.
Wow, what a mature reply! You don't see many of those these days either.
-A8
In which Church document is this decision laid out?
-A8
15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.
Isn’t long hair considered a covering for the woman?
You're projecting all sorts of personal feelings into this issue.
A veil is NOT a sign of "subjugation" - were all those German ladies who wore headdresses, all those Scottish ladies who wore mutches, my grandmother -- ALL "subjugated"? Don't think so, you're only as subjugated as you let yourself be. Brides wear veils, is that a sign of "subjugation"? I think it just as easily could be interpreted as a sign of consecration, a veil being a protective barrier or line of demarcation between that which is holy and the world -- just like the veil in the old Temple. That dovetails nicely with Corinthians as well.
It's also a sign of respect - one way to show respect in a particular tradition. Just like my husband wears a kippah when he goes with friends to shul. He's not subjugated to anybody -- he's just showing respect to God (who after all is the God of Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the God of the living, not the dead) as is customary in that place.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "subjugated" anyway -- it's become one of those buzzwords that people throw around. And to whom? If to God, you bet! Of course we're all in an inferior position to God . . . at least I hope you think so.
really which ecumenical council was it again decided that it was acceptable to dispense with 300 words of Holy Scripture?
I prefer wearing clothes, thanks.
because you know better than St Paul right?
I view this issue as rather similar to the issue of liturgy:
I can say, “I think it’s a good idea for me to wear a hat to Mass,” just as one can say, “I find the Tridentine Mass the most spiritually edifying form of liturgy.” This is at the level of personal aesthetic and spiritual preference.
Next, I might say, “I think it would be a good idea for YOU to wear a hat to Mass,” or “I think the Tridentine Mass is the best form of Catholic liturgy.” This is a contention that one choice is objectively superior to the alternatives, and an argument can be made in favor of one’s position, if anyone cares to engage in it. Personally, I’d rather drink wine and watch a John Wayne movie while sewing patches on Scout uniforms.
Finally, I might say, “Wearing a hat to Mass makes me a better Christian than someone who doesn’t,” or, “Attending the Tridentine Mass makes me a better Christian than someone who attends a modern Spanish Mass.”
At this point, I think we have a problem. Any form of religious observance - dress, action, liturgy, etc. - should lead us to an ever-greater love of God and neighbor. If I’m considering myself superior to my neighbor, and thinking of myself and my hat (or my elegant Tex-Mex Latin), then I am not properly oriented, no matter what I’m wearing.
***Please note that I’m not attributing the attitude described in part 3 to anyone on the thread!*** I’m just delineating my analysis of these points, based on discussions I’ve had over the years, on both topics, with both Catholics and non-Catholics.
Lol, me too.
In my opinion, St. Paul was making a couple of points. First, that men like long hair on women; he'd obviously never seen mine. Second, that you don't want just anyone ogling your hair, if it looks good - especially in a raunchy seaport like Corinth.
Spiritual symbolism aside (what, exactly, is up with those angels? :-), men shouldn't be checking out the women's long locks in church, and the women shouldn't be comparing one another and feeding their vanity.
Well, I can see where the hat is used for the covering (for women) and God provided the long hair as a covering for women. I do have long hair, but I cannot stand it when someone compares me to someone else, or even themselves. We are all sinners.
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