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To: Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg; TomSmedley; PetroniusMaximus; xzins
Sorry, Doc, but I see nothing in these verses about Jesus currently reigning from the Throne of David over the earth...Do you have anything else that we can take a look at

I'm not sure what Dr. E has provided but Christ was given the throne of David.

I'm with Dr. E; I have never heard any Christian say that Christ was not reigning. And, according to the above verses, Christ has been given a throne already. If you believe in a physical resurrection, then Christ must be physically reigning. If He is physically reigning, He has been given a throne. If He's been given a throne, He's reigning from the throne of David.

I doubt if He's hold up in some Orlando timeshare.

397 posted on 05/27/2007 1:03:24 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

HD,

the passages you quote do not say Christ has received the throne of David.

best,
ampu


399 posted on 05/27/2007 1:14:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (-Taken -)
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To: HarleyD
I doubt if He's hold up in some Orlando timeshare.

ROTFLOL!!!

Christ is everywhere and over all things, so He could well be sitting on Seinfeld's parent's uncomfortable pull-out sofa as we speak in addition to most definitely sitting on the throne of David from where He rules with might and purpose.

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." -- Ephesians 1:7-12

Sounds to me like His gathering "together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him" is current and ongoing, as God wills.

402 posted on 05/27/2007 1:36:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD; Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg; TomSmedley; PetroniusMaximus; xzins
“I’m with Dr. E; I have never heard any Christian say that Christ was not reigning. And, according to the above verses, Christ has been given a throne already. If you believe in a physical resurrection, then Christ must be physically reigning. If He is physically reigning, He has been given a throne. If He’s been given a throne, He’s reigning from the throne of David.”

HarleyD, I believe you are failing to distinguish between the Heavenly (but real) throne and the earthly throne.

Please consider the following...

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel” - Matthew 19

Please note the following:

1. The time referred to is after the 2nd coming, after the general resurrection
2. Future tense “shall sit in the throne of his glory”. The clear implication is that there is some future throne waiting Jesus.

Jesus already reigns with all power is heaven - but at some point in the future, after the 2nd coming he will sit down on an earthly throne in Jerusalem and, with the 12 disciples, rule over the 12 tribes of Israel.

405 posted on 05/27/2007 2:41:55 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
I'm not sure what Dr. E has provided but Christ was given the throne of David.

Act 2:30-33 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit upon his [sic:David's] throne, seeing this beforehand, he spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor would His flesh see corruption, God raised up this Jesus, of which we all are witnesses. Therefore being exalted to the right of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this which you now see and hear.

Where does it say that Jesus is currently sitting on the Throne of David??? He is currently sitting on the right hand of his Father not on David's Throne, right, until His Father makes His enemies His footstool???

I'm with Dr. E; I have never heard any Christian say that Christ was not reigning. And, according to the above verses, Christ has been given a throne already.

If that's so, then why is He still sitting on the right side of His Father's throne, not His throne or David's Throne???

If you believe in a physical resurrection, then Christ must be physically reigning.

I'm sorry, did I miss the resurrection. We must all have missed it. Or is it still future for us all who believe. And then after a physical resurrection then a physical reign from the city of David aka Jerusalem.

If He is physically reigning, He has been given a throne.

Well, that settles it: He is not physically reigning because He is not here on earth yet, right? He is still in heaven, and He is still not sitting on the Throne of David

If He's been given a throne, He's reigning from the throne of David.

Then it mustn't have been given to Him yet, right, because He is still sitting next to His Father.

406 posted on 05/27/2007 2:59:39 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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