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To: Frank Sheed
... the notion that human beings can save themselves through the exercise of unaided human reason and will. I still believe this to be so (as do many, if not most, contemporary Roman Catholic theologians)...

I've been a Roman Catholic for 50 years, and I never heard of that being issued from the Roman Pontiff on down the line ... but I hear that from the protestants all the time ...

7 posted on 05/19/2007 2:25:24 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522; Frank Sheed
... the notion that human beings can save themselves through the exercise of unaided human reason and will. I still believe this to be so (as do many, if not most, contemporary Roman Catholic theologians)...

I've been a Roman Catholic for 50 years, and I never heard of that being issued from the Roman Pontiff on down the line ...

That doctrine must issue from the straw man Church which exists in the realm of the imagination.

If any Catholic thinks they can get themselves to heaven, they must have spent their lives snoozing through the Liturgy of the Word:

Thomas said to him, "Master, we do not know where you are going; how can we know the way?"

22 posted on 05/20/2007 5:49:57 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Ken522

The quotation quoted is out of context. He plainly stated that he mistakenly thought that the late medieval church had embraced the notion that people could save themselves through good behavior. He added that some Catholic scholars also made the same mistake. Actually the church never embraced this concept which has been the center of much controversy over the past 5 centuries. Go back and read it once more. It take a lot of concentration to interpret the sentence.


51 posted on 05/20/2007 1:30:29 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Ken522
... the notion that human beings can save themselves through the exercise of unaided human reason and will. I still believe this to be so (as do many, if not most, contemporary Roman Catholic theologians)...

I've been a Roman Catholic for 50 years, and I never heard of that being issued from the Roman Pontiff on down the line ... but I hear that from the protestants all the time ...

I've never heard any Catholics promote this heresy, which is Pelagianism. The Church rejected this doctrine as heresy 15 centuries ago.

77 posted on 05/21/2007 5:23:34 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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