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To: MarkBsnr; Religion Moderator
Are we calling our dog a cat now?

Purely subjective response.

All who hold beliefs in opposition to or different from the Church are by definition heretic.

We Protestants do not hold beliefs in opposition to or different from the Church. The Roman Catholic religion does. Rome

Since you have a compilation of beliefs that conflict with the Church of Christ, you are by definition a heretic.

As per the Religion Moderator's instruction, I will not engage the persistent attempt to make things personal.

The beliefs I and other Protestants hold are not in conflict with the Church of Christ, they are in conflict with the Roman Catholic religion, which is not the representative of the Church of Christ.

As I said, I will not engage the continued attempts to make this discussion one of a personal nature.

Have a nice day.

415 posted on 05/21/2007 9:55:04 AM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Risky-Riskerdo

I attempted to illustrate the nature of your point.

Walking away from an institution, repudiating it and, with varying levels of vehemence, insisting that it is wrong and that another institution, newly created, is the correct one (among many thousands of newly created institutions all insisting that they are the only correct one), normally does not carry the licence of carrying the name along with you.

Taiwan is not China; neither are breakaway man made religions the One Holy and Apostolic Church of Christ. Here are some denominations, year founded, and founder.

Faith Group or tradition Founder Date (CE) Location
Roman Catholic Jesus, Circa 30 Palestine
Orthodox churches Jesus, Circa 30 Palestine
Lutheranism Martin Luther 1517 Germany
Swiss Reformed Church Zwingli 1523 Switzerland
Mennonites No single founder 1525 Switzerland
Anglican Communion King Henry 8 1534 England
Calvinism John Calvin 1536 Switzerland
Presbyterianism John Knox 1560 Scotland
Baptist Churches John Smyth 1605 Holland
Dutch Reformed Michaelis Jones 1628 Netherlands
Amish Jakob Ammann 1693 Switzerland
Methodism John Wesley 1739 England
Quakers George Fox 1647 England
Moravians Count Zinendorf 1727 Germany
Congregationalism John & Charles Wesley 1744 England
Brethren John Darby 1828 England
Latter-day Saints Joseph Smith 1830 NY, USA
Seventh Day Adventists Ellen White 1860 NH, USA
Salvation Army William Booth 1865 England
Jehovah’s Witnesses Charles Russell 1870 PA, USA
Christian Science Mary Baker Eddy 1879 Pleasant View, NH USA
Pentecostalism Charles Parham 1900 CA, USA
Worldwide Church of God Herbert W. Armstrong 1933/1947 OR, USA 3

You might want to distinguish between the “you” of you - Risky-Riskerdo - and the you of “you all” either all readers in general or just those called out in the context of the sentence. It could lead to better discussion, and a little less heartburn.


429 posted on 05/21/2007 10:32:51 AM PDT by MarkBsnr
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