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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you, but I’ll stick with Scripture.

This wouldn't be a problem if you didn't *interpret* the Scriptures. But, you *do* interpret the Scriptures, through many different grids (Calvinism being one of them). Your refusal to study the fathers is what prevents you from looking at Scripture through a *different* paradigm, namely, the one the fathers (who were very close to the Apostles) held. Studying the fathers is what helped me (previously a Calvinist and Presbyterian) *see* that I was placing a Reformed interpretive grid upon the Scripture, and seeing all of Scripture through those glasses. Reading the fathers also helped me see the real possibility of a different way of fitting it all together, one that made better sense of the whole.

-A8

47 posted on 05/07/2007 4:28:52 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
I didn't say I don't study the early fathers of the church. I said I don't look to them for answers as I do to the Holy Scriptures.

I read the early church fathers like I read Calvin and Luther and New Advent, always through the lens of Scripture.

The church of Rome seems to stop at the early church fathers and forget every word these men wrote was supposed to be founded on Scritpure, just like yours and mine are supposed to be.

"These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them." -- 2 Peter 2:17-21


50 posted on 05/07/2007 4:48:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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