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1 posted on 05/06/2007 11:58:21 AM PDT by NYer
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However, in January, at the suggestion of a dear friend, I began reading the Early Church Fathers ...

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EARLY CHURCH FATHERS .

2 posted on 05/06/2007 12:01:37 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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3 posted on 05/06/2007 12:03:18 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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Even though I also believe that the Reformed view is biblically and historically defensible, I think the Catholic view has more explanatory power to account for both all the biblical texts on justification as well as the church’s historical understanding of salvation prior to the Reformation all the way back to the ancient church of the first few centuries.

Sounds like a typical, ecumenical/evangelical squishy answer to me. I wonder how he explains away the anathemas, declared against these same Reformed "biblically and historically defensible" positions, by the Council of Trent?

5 posted on 05/06/2007 12:16:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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So, does this mean that this Beckwith fellow is now an evolutionist who believes the Bible is full of errors?


33 posted on 05/06/2007 3:01:47 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Koh 'amar HaShem: 'Arur hagever 'asher yivtach ba'adam vesam basar zero`o; umin-HaShem yasur libbo!)
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Given these considerations, I thought it wise for me to err on the side of the Church with historical and theological continuity with the first generations of Christians that followed Christ’s Apostles.
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Every genuine Christian has historical and theological continuity with the Apostles and early Christians by way of the teachings of the Apostles recorded in the NT Scriptures, as well as the OT Scriptures since the very first Christians were Jews.

37 posted on 05/06/2007 3:58:35 PM PDT by ad_rem007
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From Beckwith's Blog:

Because I can in good conscience, as a Catholic, affirm the ETS doctrinal statement, I do not intend to resign as a member of ETS.

Well here's the doctrinal statement:

Doctrinal Basis

The following doctrinal basis must be subscribed to by all members annually with the renewal of their membership in the Society.


"The Bible alone, and the Bible in its entirety, is the Word of God written and is therefore inerrant in the autographs. God is a Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, each an uncreated person, one in essence, equal in power and glory."

The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone. The Bible Alone.

Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura.

No Catholic can subscribe to that statement since the Catholic Church places Tradition on an equal level with the Bible and The Catholic Church places the ex-cathedra declarations of the Pope above both the Bible and Tradition.

Mr. Beckwith is duplicitous.

(James 1:8 KJV) A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

71 posted on 05/07/2007 6:39:36 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Who, exactly, is this “doctor”; and why should I care about his “return” to any church?


154 posted on 05/09/2007 7:44:04 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin')
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