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To: rrc
try again.

Sure

so we have this example showing the use of the word catholic to describe the only church in existance at the time....CATHOLIC...no protestant deformation names...

All kinds of problems with your assumptions...Again, the word catholic that Ignatius used is not your church...Ignatius said a 'universal' church...Your's is the Catholic church...They are not the same...

And it was NOT the only church in existance at the time...There were numerous religious organizations around then...And even Paul talked about people preaching another gospel...

Did Ignatius ever say he was teaching Paul's gospel, or another???

CATHOLIC...no protestant deformation names...

Ignatius did not 'name' the churches Catholic...That honor belongs to your group...The name of God's church is the church of God...Ignatius describes a church with an adjective as being universal...

really? no popes, etc? the term “Catholic Church” was in a letter by Ignatius of Antioch in 107, who wrote: “Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.

Ignatius of Antioch. Letter to the Smyrnaeans. para. 8

Really, by what authority does Ignatius write to the churches??? The scriptures, letters written that we may know we have eternal life, were inspired by God...

God did not inspire Ignatius to write anything to the churches...It was already a done deal...You treat Ignatius' writings like they are scripture inspired by God...

“Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.

Oh really??? Did Paul ever say that??? Did Peter ever say that??? How about John??? DID JESUS EVER SAY THAT??? Looks like Iggy is trying to pull the wool over someone's eyes by making up scripture that WAS NOT inspired by God and sending it to the churches as authoratative teaching...

Or maybe someone like Constantine added it to Iggy's writings a couple centuries later...

Here's what Jesus says about it:

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jesus doesn't need a bishop or a priest, or a wafer to be in the presense of his followers...And he certainly doesn't need a building...

197 posted on 05/06/2007 4:15:51 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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