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To: fgoodwin; wideawake
"America once an Episcopalian nation"

It just goes to show that there's more to conservatism than adhering to the religion of one's founders! Look where we'd all be today if we were still an Episcopalian nation!

17 posted on 04/29/2007 12:34:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Please pray for the refu'ah shelemah of Yehudah Ben Rivqah, father of Binyamin Jolkovsky.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It just goes to show that there's more to conservatism than adhering to the religion of one's founders! Look where we'd all be today if we were still an Episcopalian nation!

Codswallop. The problem of the Episcopal Church today is the problem of America's schools, colleges and universities. All of these are administered by leftists. In college students get indoctrinated in deconstructionism, Lacanianism, feminism, queer theory, multiculturalism, and identity politics. Students take these ideas with them when then enroll in seminaries. Theology then reflects this nonsense.

Until the schools are reformed, the moral relativism of the educationists will continue to infect every institution in America, whether secular of religious.

20 posted on 04/29/2007 1:24:44 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It just goes to show that there's more to conservatism than adhering to the religion of one's founders! Look where we'd all be today if we were still an Episcopalian nation!

There's a huge difference between adhering to the religion and those associated with the NAME of the religion.

25 posted on 04/29/2007 5:40:16 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; fgoodwin
It just goes to show that there's more to conservatism than adhering to the religion of one's founders!

True, but America was never an Episcopalian nation.

The majority of European settlers up to the Revolution were "dissenters" - Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Baptists, Quakers, Pietists, Catholics. And a good chunk of these Episcopals were actually Methodists - not a very clear distinction yet in those days.

The majority of founders were Episcopal because the English monarchy restricted voting, university education and military officerships to Episcopals by law.

As a result they were usually the wealthiest and best-connected people in the colonies, despite their status as a religious minority.

In my opinion, the American Revolution was largely a revolution "from above" - the colonial upperclass split into two factions: the Tories who hoped for preferment and the Founders who were tired of being shunted to the back of the line by toffs three thousand miles away.

The Founders were able to use the prestige their privilege gave them to make a change.

32 posted on 04/30/2007 5:11:47 AM PDT by wideawake
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