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To: pjr12345
For starters, the RCC did not exist at the time of Origen. Yes, there was a church at Rome, but it had not yet morphed into what would become the RCC. Christians, at the time of Origen, were under persecution. Constantine hadn't yet "embraced" Christianity, and the church at Rome had not yet become vogue with the Roman elite. Hence it had not yet gained political influence, and its paganization had not yet begun.

PJR, where are you getting your history of this era? It most certainly does not accord with what has come down to us from the sources of the time. For example, this passage from Irenaeus of Lyons' Against Heresies, which was written *during Origen's lifetime*:

Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.
Please explain this passage.
20 posted on 04/26/2007 6:11:55 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud
Please explain this passage.

First, your source is suspect. It's a rabidly papal web site with an agenda.

Second, even if there's a record of this, just because something is old doesn't make it true. We've seen countless, ancient, intentional frauds. And modern frauds are penned daily.

Sorry, not convinced.

24 posted on 04/26/2007 6:53:03 AM PDT by pjr12345 (What is it about "The Terrorists want to kill us!" don't you people understand?)
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