[Campion]

Every grandmother, both sides from the beginning is my mother, or I wouldn't be here

You don't distinguish between your mother who bore you, and Eve? They're both equally important in terms of their relationship to you? Did Abraham ever salute Sarah as "mother of my Lord"? No, didn't think so.

I never said angels never came to anyone else, so that's a red herring.

Page up to #154 to see my question.

This discussion is getting ridiculous at this point.

[1000 silverlings]

The biblical truth is, that all throughout the Plan of Salvation, terminating in the birth of the Messiah, God intervened, and each birth was a miracle. Every matriarch, except Sarah, prayed for a child, including Rachel, and only after God's intervention, did the birth result. This is biblical truth and proves that Christ's birth is supernatural from the beginning, descending from Abraham, when Sarah laughed that she should become pregnant. Isaac is above all that "child of the promise" and and his life symbolizes and foretells Christ.

Even given these facts,that the women gave birth supernaturally, through God, the women are accorded respect but not respect above their Lord. David's mother is even nameless. Those are the facts, and it is the invention of the Roman Catholics who in fact defied tradition, and who elevated Mary to Queen of Heaven.