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To: Celtjew Libertarian; onedoug
How freewill coexists with Divine Providence and the fact that all history is an unfolding of the Torah (which was already written before the Creation) is a mystery which we will never understand on this side, if ever. However, this does not excuse us from denying either of these two realities.

Man has free will. Yet HaShem's Divine Providence governs all things and everything is encoded within the Torah. Don't worry about it, don't try to rationalize it. Accept it.

10 posted on 04/20/2007 11:42:39 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Please pray for the refu'ah shelemah of Yehudah Ben Rivqah, father of Binyamin Jolkovsky.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
How freewill coexists with Divine Providence and the fact that all history is an unfolding of the Torah (which was already written before the Creation) is a mystery which we will never understand on this side, if ever. However, this does not excuse us from denying either of these two realities.

I have to disagree here. The key to man's relationship with God is, IMO, that we were created in His image. Not a physical image (obviously), but spiritual image.

As such, we have free will. As such, we must be allowed to grow up and exercise our free will. Thus, we see the Bible -- and the unfolding of human history -- as starting with God intensly involved in and affecting man's affairs, gradually, releasing his control, as we grow up. Still watching, perhaps even giving an occasional shove here and there, but leaving us, in this world, more and more to our own devices. Per His plan.

12 posted on 04/20/2007 11:50:06 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (WWGD -- What would Groucho do?)
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