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To: franky1; All
Adamec said a Latin Mass could be made available [referring to the Novus Ordo with some Latin], but if the Tridentine rite is offered, it is a different rite, and you have to go back to the old forms of spirituality that went with it. He also said you have to go back to the old forms of sacraments, fasting and other aspects

Can anyone elaborate what "old forms of spirituality... sacraments" means?

I do understand the current (NO) fasting aspect, which seems very relaxed to us Eastern Orthodox.

My other question is: wh is the Tridentine Rite Mass aparently treated as some sort of "leper" rite? Surely, it was part of the Church history it is considered 'valid.'

Orthodox churches normally use the 1,600-year-old Divine Liturgy of Sain John Chrysostom, but on 14 occasions in one calendar year the Divine Liturgy of Saint Basil the Great (which is a little longer than the former) is served.

As far as I know, there is no freedom to choose which one will be served.

Wouldn't it be possible to integrate the Trindentine and NO Mass in a similar manner? In other words, serve the NO Mass most of the year and the Tridentine Mass on special feasts?

5 posted on 04/16/2007 1:33:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

“Wouldn’t it be possible to integrate the Trindentine and NO Mass in a similar manner? In other words, serve the NO Mass most of the year and the Tridentine Mass on special feasts?”

What about the TLM being exclusive to churches built before 1970AD and the NO for those built after that date?

I think a main reason there is so much opposition to the TLM is because females are not allowed to participate in the sanctuary.

Like in my NO parish the majority of the altar servers, communion ministers, readers and even the choir are female.


7 posted on 04/16/2007 2:19:01 PM PDT by Macoraba
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To: kosta50; old republic
Can anyone elaborate what "old forms of spirituality... sacraments" means?

Right now in most places where the old Mass is offered, it's just one token Mass on Sunday (often at a strange hour like 2 PM). Few are the places where you can get all the sacraments in the traditional Latin rite (and these are usually from orders like the FSSP or ICK).

I'm guessing Adamec is also including those old forms of devotion that were popular in the 1950s but which were put on the Index of Forbidden Practices by the enlightened liberals after Vatican II: including Exposition and Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. The calendars, also, are quite different: what used to be St. Valentine's (Feb 14th) is now St. Cyril and Methodius. The season of Septuagesima before Lent was summarily suppressed, as were ember days.

The liturgical revolution has been much more extensive than just the Mass itself--it was a wholesale effort to wipe out 1500 years of Latin tradition. The Latin Mass is treated as a leper rite because the progressives are deadly serious about not going back to those "bad old days"; but I think (I pray) they are fighting a losing battle. Adamec is saying that the old Mass is allowed pastorally only insofar as it keeps folks from going to the SSPX. That's BS.

Regarding the Eastern practices with the DLs of Chrysostom and Basil, I think you're spot on. The motu proprio which we're all waiting for is going to free up the old Mass a bit, and there will be a period of adjustment where it gets reintegrated into the life of the Church. The calendars have to be reconciled somehow. And I can definitely envision a future where the old Mass is mandated, say, on the feast of St. Gregory.

13 posted on 04/17/2007 6:37:33 AM PDT by Claud
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