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To: RobbyS; Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; Uncle Chip; wmfights; Alex Murphy

“When one’s first obligation is to one’s own, any measures that would have led to the actual destruction of the Church is not to be expected.”

That has got to be the most incredible statement from any one here on the FR Religion forum. First, as the claimed “Vicar” of Christ his first obligation is to Christ and His gospel. Second, what happened to “on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”? Did the Pope know more than Jesus did or does or did his faith in God’s sovereignty only go as far as his courage?


129 posted on 04/14/2007 11:26:31 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
First, as the claimed "Vicar" of Christ his first obligation is to Christ and His gospel. Second, what happened to "on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"? Did the Pope know more than Jesus did or does or did his faith in God's sovereignty only go as far as his courage?

This one deserves an "amen."

You asked last week where was Pacelli's concern for God in all this. We sure don't see much of it by his actions nor his inaction.

145 posted on 04/14/2007 4:27:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan; RobbyS; Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; Uncle Chip; Alex Murphy
RS:“When one’s first obligation is to one’s own, any measures that would have led to the actual destruction of the Church is not to be expected.”

BD:That has got to be the most incredible statement from any one here on the FR Religion forum.

Amen, it caught my attention as well. IOW, to heck with everyone as long as we are okay.

Didn't Origen, Tertullian and the Donatist's complain about this type of attitude among the elites of the early church during periods of persecution?

149 posted on 04/15/2007 9:04:58 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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