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To: Ping-Pong
If the priests, who made the 1st resurrection, are in that form, how can they go to those that "will live their lives and die during the millennium", that are not in that form?

Let me ask you a question....maybe I am misunderstanding your perspective.

Are you saying that resurrected spirit beings (immortals) cannot instruct mortals? If so....why?

During the millennium I believe much instruction, governing and general supervision will be the task of those individuals who took part in the first resurrection. These are the folks referred to as being blessed because of their participation [Revelation 20:6]. They are also now called Holy....signifying their citizenship in The Kingdom of God.

I believe initially the Earth will be about the same during this 1000 year period, but because mankind will be living according to the Laws of God many things will gradually adjust over time. Men and women (mortals) will continue to exist in their human form. They will have children, will grow old and they will die. Maybe....just maybe, they will grow older slower and perhaps begin to live much longer. It was not unusual for the folks from Adam to Noah to live well past 900 years.

If mankind is being instructed in God's ways, God's Laws and God's nourishment.....it would be rare that we would see a child born with some type of defect. It would be rare when we saw a horrible disease spread throughout the world, killing innocent victims. It would be rare when we heard of a friend or acquaintance contracting a deadly cancer. And this would be only shortly into the millennium when mankind is beginning to reap the benefits of doing things God's way.

Longer into the millennium these things I have mentioned may probably be non existent. During this time many folks (mortals) will be coming to The Lord....much as they do today. I guess the only thing that will be different is the first hand evidence of God's Kingdom here on Earth.....and this will indeed be a very convincing argument for future membership.

Because of this, many will become priests themselves and thus I can see priests during the Millennium being both resurrected beings.....as well as mortals (novices if you will).

As you can tell, I'm soooo confused. I can't figure out the who, what, when and where.

Much of what I'm saying is conjecture on my part. I sure don't have all the answers. I only believe that the resurrected beings reigning here on Earth with Our Lord for 1000 years will be reigning over......(someone?).

761 posted on 05/28/2007 1:45:53 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
Are you saying that resurrected spirit beings (immortals) cannot instruct mortals? If so....why?

I didn't think the two different bodies (mortal / immortal) would be able to see each other unless they were both in the same type of body. I thought you said those that didn't make the first resurrection would still be flesh. 1Cori.15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Is this not saying that the two, flesh and immortal, are not on the same level, or in the same dimension?

Perhaps it would be easier to tell you what I thought scripture told us about those times (at least until you told me otherwise). Once I detail it you may know why and where we differ.

I believe that at the 2nd Advent ALL change, ALL are in spirit, or incorruptible bodies (1Cori.15:51). Some of those (Rom.11:4) will be part of the 1st resurrection and therefore are immortal (Rev.20:5). The others, who are now in an incorruptible body (at least through the millennium) are NOT immortal - they are still liable to die, (considered spiritually dead), in the lake of fire at the end of the millennium. (1Cori 15:53)tells us that we must put on incorruption (flesh is gone at the 2nd. advent and we are all in spirit - we have put on incorruption).

The immortal ones, the 7,000 (Rom11:4) priests who reign with Christ, will instruct the 144,000 (Ez.44:23)and they in turn teach the mortal ones. All are in spirit (or, as I thought, soul), or incoruptible bodies. The priest, who minister to Christ, are not allowed to go near the spiritually dead, except for family members (Ez.44:25).

The 144,000. Those that fell for Satan's deceit in end times but returned and were sealed to God before the 2nd Advent. Because they did follow Satan there is a price they must pay:
Rev.7:4.And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel
14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth
Ezekiel 44:11 Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the People, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
12. Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up Mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.
13.And they shall not come near unto Me to do the office of a priest unto Me, nor to come near to any of My holy things, in the most holy place; but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

The 7,000 - God's elect who will become Priest with Christ.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."

That is how I thought it would be. All in spirit, the good, bad and ugly but some, the elect, are immortal while all others are considered spritually dead. Those will be taught without any evil influence from Satan. At the end of the millennium Satan will be released for a short time and those that have been taught will then be proven. God comes to earth and the great white throne judgment takes place - lake of fire and then eternity.

So, I had it all nice and tidy in my mind until you threw a scriptural monkey wrench into it. I'm sure I'm making understanding your perspective on this more difficult than is necessary but because I had this preconceived idea it is difficult to let go of it and replace it with yours. I think I'll spend the next few days laying your thoughts out, using the information you have given and compare the two.

I keep thinking I see what you mean but then something comes up (probably an old idea I won't let go of) and I think it can't be. I'll keep thinking about it.

Your friend.......Ping

762 posted on 05/28/2007 6:03:48 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Diego1618
"Men and women (mortals) will continue to exist in their human form. They will have children, will grow old and they will die".

Ezekiel 47 (below) tells us there will be children while Matthew, Mark and Luke (below) tell us there will be "no giving and taking in marriage", which I take to mean "no children".

All these scriptures have to be about being either in the millennium or the eternity but either way, Matthew, Mark and Luke seem to only be concerned with those that made the resurrection. Are they speaking about those that made the first only or the second too? If speaking of those that made the first resurrection only then would those that didn't make it be the ones having children (as you stated)? If that is true, what about Ezekiel where he speaks of children. They are either in the millennial temple or in the eternity so they made the resurrection (I'm not sure of the timeline there), but they have children. Why the discrepency? What am I not understanding? They seem to contradict each other.

Ezekiel 47:22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
This takes place in the eternity or millennium and some are having children. If it is in the eternity, as I believe it is then they are all "of the resurrection". Matthew, Mark and Luke (below) tell us there won't be children.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36.Neither can they die anymore: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him.

Any ideas???...........Ping

763 posted on 06/05/2007 2:58:02 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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