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To: Ping-Pong
If we do not "change" into a soul/spirit body then what do we change into? I feel like you're only telling me 1/2 of what you are thinking. If a soul isn't, or can't be, immortal then what is the point? What part of us is with God in the eternity if our soul dies? I just don't understand.

A true Christian will be resurrected in a spirit body. This will not be a soul as it will not be an air breathing body as described by the Hebrew word, "Nephesh". You will, at that time, be changed into an immortal spirit being. Others....who also were considered "Souls" in their Earthly flesh and blood body will also eventually be resurrected....to death.... in the lake of fire. They, of course, will not receive an eternal spirit body......and they will experience eternal death.

One side note: As an eternal spirit being you will have the ability to manifest yourself as a flesh and blood, air breathing creature.....if you desire. [Hebrews 13:2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

But....until the resurrection, those who have died will rest in their grave....for flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. [1 Corinthians 15:50]

742 posted on 05/21/2007 5:11:45 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
A true Christian will be resurrected in a spirit body

Thank you - now I understand. I have the two as one in that I consider the spirit as the intellect of the soul - one unit. Where you see the soul as dying, completely dead, per the verses you quoted, I see those verses meaning to die physically but some will be spiritually dead. Their soul (and/or spirit) is still living (in our celestial bodies - 1Corin15:40) but they are not considered "alive" as those that made the first resurrection - in an incorruptible body but spiritually dead(Rev.20:5).

In reading Rev. 20 again, reading it with your eyes, I see why you believe what you do but I still have questions. If those that did "hath part in the first resurrection" are changed into their spirit bodies and "shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years" then who will they, as priests, teach?

Ezekiel 44, referring to the millennium, tells us of a priest's duty.
19.And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the People, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the People with their garments.
23.And they shall teach My People the difference between the holy and profane and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24.And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to My judgments; and they shall keep My laws and My statues in all Mine assemblies; and they shall hallow My sabbaths.

So the priests will be teaching others. My thought was that those others are those that didn't make the first resurrection. If that is correct then those
"Others....who also were considered "Souls" in their Earthly flesh and blood body will also eventually be resurrected....to death.... in the lake of fire.,
must be in a body in order to receive instruction and not just held in a completely dead state until they are resurrected to death. If that was the plan why would they not simply be done away with at the beginning of the millennium?

Could the "people" in the outer court be the "true Christians" you speak of but they were not the elect. Are those the ones the priests (elect) teach? Then would the ones that will be "resurrected to death only" be the evil ones that have lived? That makes sense to me except that they would already have to have been judged and if they were then why not blot them out then?

It would also leave open a question that Ez.44:25 raises.
And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves; for father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves.

Dead, as used in that verse has to mean spiritually dead. If there was no chance of helping that person why would one of the elect be allowed to go to them?

One side note: As an eternal spirit being you will have the ability to manifest yourself as a flesh and blood, air breathing creature.....if you desire. [Hebrews 13:2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

I believe in that completely but I never considered it as part of the millennium. Wouldn't we all be either in spirit or dead (as you believe) at that time?

But....until the resurrection, those who have died will rest in their grave....for flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. [1 Corinthians 15:50]

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. That is earthly only. You must be in spirit to see God. We become the celestial body Paul tells us of in (1Corin.15:40).

My thought has always been that our spririt goes to God at our physical death (Ecc.12:6). We will never be returned to flesh bodies again. However, I am not at all certain about what happens when we get there. I always thought we would be busy with something but some of the verses you have quoted make me question that. One of those is:
Ecc.9:5 For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten

Does this mean that our spiritual forms, or dead bodies, lay around until His 2nd Advent (as 1Cori 15:23 suggests)or does it mean we won't have any memory of this earthly life (as we don't now of the 1st age). Does "any more a reward" mean once you die that is it, there is nothing else you can do to secure your place with God?

Lots of questions still but I do understand your point much better. I still disagree on the "dead vs. spiritually dead" part but I do have a clearer understanding. I suppose now my question would be what people go where and where are they now.

Thank you Diego .........Ping

743 posted on 05/22/2007 9:57:59 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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