Both [1 Peter 3:19] and [2 Peter 2:4] are somewhat confusing when trying to reconcile the timing of these visits. Both verses speak of an imprisonment....so to speak, but use different words. 1 Peter uses the Greek word (5438. phulake (foo-lak-ay')a guarding or (concretely, guard), the act, the person; figuratively, the place, the condition, or (specially), the time (as a division of day or night), literally or figuratively.) 2 Peter uses the Greek word (5020. tartaroo (tar-tar-o'-o)from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment)
So....these are obviously different places. [Jude 6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. must therefore be the same as [1 Peter 3:19] since it just refers to a prison....not necessarily Tartarus. The thing that confuses many folks about Tartarus in [2 Peter] is that it is translated Hell in many versions....and that conjures up a whole new thought.
So.....[1 Peter and Jude 6] are speaking of "Fallen Angels", the fathers of the Nephilim....with the daughters of men? And....[2 Peter 2:4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment....these are the Angels who rebelled with Lucifer during the first age?
I don't know. My head feels like it's full of oatmeal. I read it one way and it sounds like the fallen angels during Noah's time and then later it sounds like it was during the "overthrow".
And Peter actually said it was difficult for some to understand Paul - ha.
I'll let it rest for a time and then maybe it will become clearer to me. Thank you for taking time with this.
Your friend......Ping
Paul, in 1Cori.10: is teaching about the Exodus and in vs.6 tells us that, "Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
To me, the Book of Exodus is an example, with strong parallels of end times, on what we should do to reach the "promised land". In Ex.34:23 God tells us that, "Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before The Lord God, the God of Israel. Again, in vs. 24. He says, ".....when thou shalt go up to appear before the Lord thy God thrice in the year.
On these feast days they read the Word of God to all the people. Ex.34:18 and 22 tells us that two of those feast days God wants us to keep are The feast of unleavened bread, Passover, and the Feast of weeks, Feast of Tabernacles.
Where is the third feast? In vs. 22 are the "firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end", the same event or separate ones? If I go on the premise that they are the same event then where is the 3rd feast day? If they are separate events, could the time of "ingathering at year's end" be the time that would become Pentecost?
As Exodus is our "example" these must be crucial dates for us to observe. At Passover, Christ was crucified, at Pentecost, The Holy Spirit was sent as our Comforter and the Feast of Tabernacles was the time of Jesus' birth - the firstfruit, our date of around September 29.
My feeling is that these dates will have much to do with the end of days, whenever that will be. We aren't to know the day but we are to know the season and we are to be a watchman. We are 9 days from Pentecost now and I truly don't know what is expected of one on that day, or the other two feast days, except to keep the days Holy, as we do the Sabbath.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
...Ping