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To: Cedar

No need to jump to conclusions.

Caught up in the air? yes. Perhaps air, perhaps pneuma as in spirit.

John 17:15 also indicates that through faith in Christ, once the Church has been completely formed, He had faith his Church would not suffer PONEROS or evil that is good for nothingness or calamitous.

I understand how many people might be influenced by human good, mistaking a worldly system of human good for a heavenly kingdom on earth, especially when they happen to win in this world. One of the most powerful drugs to the human psyche is success at endeavors of the volition and is remarkably used by the Adversary to parlay human good works into his policy of evil. There are many in the Church who backslide into worldly systems of success, rightly thinking they are performing good works, but failing to discern between human good and Divine good.

Such lack of discernment of human good from Divine good points directly to why this present worldly system will fail.

I also can understand why some post or a millenialists might think Christ is heaven is sufficient with our continueing sanctification here to win over the whole world to Him, but I do not have such faith in the world as I have in Him as I find the world to not be as trustworthy (/gross understatement).

When the Restrainer is removed, there is nothing which the Church might perform here for Divine Good.


35 posted on 04/15/2007 5:14:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Cvengr; Cedar
Caught up in the air? yes. Perhaps air, perhaps pneuma as in spirit.

The Greek word is air not pneuma.

Nice try.

38 posted on 04/15/2007 7:05:14 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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I also can understand why some post or a millenialists might think Christ is heaven is sufficient with our continueing sanctification here to win over the whole world to Him, but I do not have such faith in the world as I have in Him as I find the world to not be as trustworthy (/gross understatement).

Christ in heaven is not sufficient to win over the whole world to Him???

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven." -- Colossians 1:16-20

When the Restrainer is removed, there is nothing which the Church might perform here for Divine Good.

As we just read in Colossians, Christ's control is never removed from anything God created. The earth was made for Him and by Him and through Him. All the saints will be redeemed by His blood. And that redemption will add to His glory as God ordained from before the foundation of the world.

63 posted on 04/15/2007 6:23:01 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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