[topcat54]

You should go find some essays from dispensationalists like Ice, Showers, Stallard, Ryrie, etc. and really start to understand where the scholars are. Do a google search on Pre-Trib Study Group and you will find more articles by dispensationalists than you could read in a month.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I know these folks. I’ve read a lot of Ryrie. I've corresponded with Showers years ago, and I had dinner once with Tommy Ice at a conference on eschatology. I’m quite familiar with LaHaye’s Pre-Trib Research Center. And Mike Stallard teaches in my old home town of Clarks Summit, PA.

Basically I know every one of their arguments, and where they fail from the Scripture (unless you adopt the presuppositions of a dispensationalist first).

And what about Bock and Blasing and the current crop from Dallas? Where do they fit in? Some consider the progressives as heretics of sorts for conceding too much to the covenant side. See Danger of Progressive Dispensationalsim to Pre-Millennial Theology by Wayne House (of House and Ice fame).

I mentioned the other gentlemen because they are the ones feeding the masses with their brand of dispensationalism. Folks don’t read much Ice and Ryrie these days. They do read and watch Hal Lindsey and Jack VanImpe, they listen to Chuck Smith preach, and read those horrible novels by Tim LaHaye (an odd bird with a foot in both worlds; academic and pop).

This gets back to my long-standing issue; who really speaks for dispensationalism? Who should we believe on any subject? Who sets of presuppositions holds sway over the rest?

[Cvengr]

"Basically I know every one of their arguments, and where they fail from the Scripture (unless you adopt the presuppositions of a dispensationalist first)."

Well since you know it all, topcat, why are you so preoccupied with accusing other believers, categorizing them into denominations, rather than simply letting Scripture speak for itself? BTW, Chafer and a number of other dispensational authors rarely follow denominational lines, but instead by studying Scripture, have recognized and discerned some prophetic programs which are not fulfilled by the Church, and accordingly have studied His Word for how He presents His plan. Since you know it all, obviously you could help other believers learn Scripture, if you are filled with the Holy Spirit and gifted by Him to so teach.

Of course, attmpting to promote Covenant Theology is considerably more problematic than those who recognize the dispensations, ages, and times of Scriptural Prophecy.