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To: xzins
Do you agree that that is what he says....more time seeking converts to preterism?

I agree that is what he says. I strongly disagree with the truth of the statement.

The proof text of preterism is “this generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled.”

I have yet to hear a credible explanation as to how the original audience of His comments would have understood this as meaning anything but what it clearly states: that those within that generation (roughly 40-year timeframe) would see those things He referenced fulfilled.

In that list of prophecies in Mt 24 is the prophecy of Jesus’ own return. It is among the “ALL of these things.”

That means any variety of preterist MUST believe that Jesus returned in that generation.

Do you?

In a fashion, yes. By no means do I believe He returned in the full consumation of His Kingdom in final judgement.

See, the problem here is that you choose to interpret time-frame references figuratively and descriptions of the parousia literally. Scripture much more strongly supports the opposite.

Regardless though, you seem bent on an oversimplification of the preterist view that makes it easy to slip in subtle implications about what we believe. I state clearly and unequivocally that as a partial preterist I believe in a future coming of Christ in the full consummation of His Kingdom and final judgement upon mankind.

41 posted on 04/12/2007 8:13:27 PM PDT by Frumanchu (Historical Revisionism: When you're tired of being on the losing side of history.)
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To: Frumanchu; P-Marlowe

Yet, you just said you believe Jesus returned “in a fashion.”

I am certain that the proof text demands that Jesus have returned in that generation. If He did not return in that generation, then there is something wrong with the preterist interpretation of the proof text.

In what fashion do you think that Jesus returned?


43 posted on 04/12/2007 8:16:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Frumanchu; xzins; topcat54
I have yet to hear a credible explanation as to how the original audience of His comments would have understood this as meaning anything but what it clearly states: that those within that generation (roughly 40-year timeframe) would see those things He referenced fulfilled.

I've never heard one either - other than the utterly unsatisfactory "Matthew is for the Jews" argument. I remember asking some Plymouth Brethren dispensationalists (I grew up among them) why the ingathering of the elect was clearly after the tribulation, and I got that answer. I became amillennial after that answer.

47 posted on 04/12/2007 8:21:49 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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To: Frumanchu; xzins
In a fashion, yes. By no means do I believe He returned in the full consumation of His Kingdom in final judgement.

Oh? So you believe that in 70 AD the world beat its swords into plowshares and ceased to learn war any more (Isa. 2:4, Mic. 4:3)? Do you go up every year during the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles) to Jerusalem to worship the King (Zec. 14:16)? Do men no longer die young, but always make it to old age (Isa. 65:20)?

Funny, I hadn't noticed.

It seems to me that to say that God's kingdom has been consummated but that the promised blessings of God's kingdom have not been fulfilled is to make a liar out of God.

116 posted on 04/13/2007 10:24:17 AM PDT by Buggman (http://brit-chadasha.blogspot.com)
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