[Frumanchu]

I thought we were discussing the Olivet Discourse, x. Now you’ve jumped to Revelations. I don’t mind working through these passages, but you seem to be pulling a bait and switch here. How about we stick with one passage and work from there.

[xzins]

The Revelation passage is clear because the Mt 24:30 passage is clear:

Mt 24:30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

Now, we know that every eye will see him.

And we also know that not one apostle and not one writer of the early church reported this happened. They didn't even know about it.