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To: ELS
Are you saying that Jesus did not honor His mother and father?

Are you saying that God is in submission to Mary?

Answer my question first and then I will answer your question. A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

The bible shows the answer to be no in a couple of places. Where He denies that she is his mom and when he tells the person who wants to attend his dads funeral "let the dead bury their own dead and you follow me" and where he says "anyone that doesn't hate his mother and father is not worthy of me". It's very clear. Sorry to shatter your tradition.

153 posted on 04/09/2007 7:48:32 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: DungeonMaster
Are you saying that Jesus did not honor His mother and father?

The bible shows the answer to be no in a couple of places.

Do you know that one of the Ten Commandments is to honor one's father and mother? So, by saying that Jesus did not honor His mother and (foster) father you are saying that Jesus broke one of God's commandments - that is that Jesus committed sin. You may want to rethink your position on this matter.

Are you saying that God is in submission to Mary?

To answer your question, I am not saying that God is in submission to Mary, but that Jesus honored and obeyed (read submitted to) Mary and Joseph during His earthly life. As another poster pointed out above, Jesus returned with Joseph and Mary to Nazareth after they found Him in the temple in Jerusalem. Also, Jesus submitted to Mary's request at the wedding in Cana (N.B. This is NOT meant to be an exhaustive list of Biblical citations of Jesus obedience to Mary and Joseph).

anyone that doesn't hate his mother and father is not worthy of me

You are sadly mistaken and misguided if you think that Jesus hates Mary and Joseph (or His heavenly Father). It is highly likely that you have taken that text out of context.

157 posted on 04/09/2007 9:48:28 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: DungeonMaster

Jesus never claimed that Mary wasn’t His mother.

And the verses you referred to indicate that following Christ sometimes requires one to break with the past. No excuses - remember that He said this in answer to the man who didn’t want to follow Him who was admonished for his excuse-making.

Christianity is very much about the family. This is just crazy talk.


163 posted on 04/09/2007 1:05:18 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen)
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