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To: Uncle Chip; kerryusama04; DouglasKC
Well now, did Jesus say "three nights and three days" or "three days and three nights"?

He was quoting [Jonah 1:17]. If he was entombed on Wednesday afternoon.....say about 4:00/4:30 P.M., like all the scriptures indicate....and resurrected Saturday about 4:00/4:30 P.M., like all the scriptures indicate, then He would still have been in the heart of the Earth three days and three nights....72 hours total.

However, if His burial took until dawn Thursday morning [Luke 23:54], and He was raised from the grave at dawn Sunday morning [Matthew 28:1-2] then His words "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" are literally fulfilled in correct order. Isn't that right???

For the life of me, I cannot understand how you get "Thursday morning" from [Luke 23:54]? And.....[Matthew 28:1] (post #399). All translations agree that this is taking place late on the Sabbath Day.....and the tomb is empty! Verse 53 of Luke 23 says: και καθελων αυτο ενετυλιξεν αυτο σινδονι και εθηκεν αυτο εν μνηματι λαξευτω ου ουκ ην ουδεπω ουδεις κειμενοc/and having taken it down, he wrapped it in fine linen, and placed it in a tomb hewn out, where no one was yet laid. This means that the body was entombed....and the Sabbath was approaching....not there yet!

as it began to "dawn" toward the first day of the week

Epiphosko/Dawn. To draw on; to begin....like all Hebrew days...they began (dawned) at sunset. [Luke 23:54] και ημερα ην παρασκευη σαββατον επεφωσκεν/And the day was a preparation, and sabbath was approaching. "Young's Literal Translation" Have you ever heard the phrase "The Dawning of the Age of Aquarius?" This is referring to the "BEGINNING" of the age!

It does not say the Sabbath was already here. The Greek says it was approaching....late afternoon. You can attempt to spin this all you want to justify "Sol Invictus" ....but your argument is with scripture, not me! And you are forgetting that evening means everything from noon until sunset with an "Even" at 3:00 P.M. The Hebrews called the time of day the Sun was declining (from noon until sunset) evening. The time the sun was rising...morning.

Now....pay attention to this. [Genesis 1:5] and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one. God calls the darkness night, doesn't He? He calls the light....day, doesn't He? What composes the day....? Morning and evening, of course. This is why Joseph of Arimathea came to Pilate during the daylight hours..... called "Evening" by the Hebrews. If there is one thing you should ever take away from this study it is the fact that evening to the Hebrews was not night time!

404 posted on 04/10/2007 9:17:34 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
For the life of me, I cannot understand how you get "Thursday morning" from [Luke 23:54]? And.....[Matthew 28:1] (post #399). All translations agree that this is taking place late on the Sabbath Day.....and the tomb is empty! as it began to "dawn" toward the first day of the week Epiphosko/Dawn. To draw on; to begin....like all Hebrew days...they began (dawned) at sunset. It does not say the Sabbath was already here. The Greek says it was approaching....late afternoon. You can attempt to spin this all you want to justify "Sol Invictus" ....but your argument is with scripture, not me! And you are forgetting that evening means everything from noon until sunset with an "Even" at 3:00 P.M. The Hebrews called the time of day the Sun was declining (from noon until sunset) evening. The time the sun was rising...morning. Now....pay attention to this. [Genesis 1:5] and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one. God calls the darkness night, doesn't He? He calls the light....day, doesn't He? What composes the day....? Morning and evening, of course. This is why Joseph of Arimathea came to Pilate during the daylight hours..... called "Evening" by the Hebrews. If there is one thing you should ever take away from this study it is the fact that evening to the Hebrews was not night time!

Diego --- pay close attention to the actual meaning of the Greek word: "epiphosko". It means "to dawn, to grow light." The words "to draw on" used by the KJV mean "to dawn, to grow light". The day begins at evening, at dusk, when it is still growing dark, dusky. Night is ahead. "Epiphosko" describes the beginning of the period of light after the darkness of the night has passed.

"Epiphosko" has to do with the light of the morning day beginning to be seen. At 6:00 in the evening when the new Hebrew day begins, it is still growing dark, night is coming. It grows darker for hours and hours until sometime around morning and then it "begins to grow light, to dawn".

"Epiphosko" is thus translated "dawn" in Matthew 28:1 and clearly means "the morning" when light was breaking. The words "the sabbath drew on" do not mean that the day was about to begin but that it was proceeding and beginning to dawn. The Hebrew day is almost 12 hours old at "epiphosko" --- dawn.

Your problem is that you are allegorizing the words "epiphosko, dawn, draw on, grow light" to mean the day at 6:00 PM when it is really the day at 6:00 AM.

And "evening" ends the Hebrew day. How many times do the writers have to say that "evening had come" before Joseph went to Pilate. The multiple evening theory is pure bunk. Evening to the Jew was at sunset. Evening ended the day.If "evening" means "evening", then the day had ended and the new one had begun. And at that time it was still growing dark, getting darker, becoming night and would not begin to dawn until 12 hours later.

Jesus said "three days and three nights". The Hebrew day begins with the "night" and then the Hebrew "day" [the period of light] begins at dawn. Jesus said that his time in the earth would begin with a "day" [the period of light] a dawn not a "night". Thursday dawn began the first "day" [period of light], Thursday evening began the first "night" [period of darkness], and ended at dawn Sunday AM.

409 posted on 04/11/2007 4:15:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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