[Uncle Chip]

No dear -— I stand with the truth and those who are willing to admit it -— painful as it may be. Are you saying that anyone who tells the truth about the Vatican is a Marxist??? Even Catholic historians admit that Pope John XXIII had Marxist leanings. You can’t hide behind that cloak forever.

[AnAmericanMother]

Just go ahead and bring up Alexander VI while you're at it, and get it out of the way. We're discussing Pope Pius and his valiant struggle against the Nazis despite having no (temporal) divisions, as Uncle Joe Stalin observed. Not John XXIII or the failings of the Church or its leaders at other times.

The facts are against your position, and more facts are coming out daily at this point. It's like the Venona papers turning a lot of parlor pinks' ideas on their heads. As East German Stasi materials continue to be examined, more of the covert operations against the Church can be expected to come out. It will make the manufactured fiction that Pope Pius collaborated with the Nazis harder and harder to believe, but I'm sure you'll stick to your guns to the bitter end.