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More Evidence Pius XII Was Not Hitler's Pope - German Files Point to a Russian Plot
Zenit News Agency ^ | April 2, 2007

Posted on 04/03/2007 2:32:00 AM PDT by NYer

ROME, APRIL 2, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Adolf Hitler's No. 1 enemy was the Vatican's secretary of state, Eugenio Pacelli, future Pope Pius XII, according to documents recently found in Europe.

In an article published last Thursday by La Repubblica, reporter Marco Ansaldo announced that he has a dossier on Pius XII that complements documentation found in the Vatican Archives.

According to the newly discovered documents, Pius XII was considered an enemy of the Third Reich. Memos and letters unearthed at a depot used by the Stasi, the East German secret police, show that Nazi spies within the Vatican were concerned at the Pope's efforts to help displaced Poles and Jews.

One document from the head of Berlin's police force tells Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Third Reich's foreign minister, that the Catholic Church was providing assistance to Jews "both in terms of people and financially."

Russia's motives

In a commentary on the new documents, Sister Margherita Marchione, author and expert on Pius XII, explains the campaign against the Pope was the work of the Soviets.

"Russia's plans were to control Europe after the war. The only outspoken obstacle to Russia's plan in Europe was the Catholic Church," Sister Marchione wrote.

"The first attacks claiming that the Church had endorsed silently the atrocities of the Nazis came from Communist Russia," she explained. "Soon to control Poland, and other vast areas in Eastern Europe, Russia saw the need to break the loyalty to the Pope of Catholic majorities in those countries.

"The plan was a simple one: convince everyone that the Pope supported the hated Nazis during the war and, therefore, neither he nor the Church could be trusted after the war. The destruction of the Church would leave the field wide open for Russian influence and control."


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Judaism; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; bigotry; catholic; germany; hitler; nazis; piusxii; prejudice; revisionism; sanitized
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To: Petronski; sandyeggo; Titanites; Campion; AnAmericanMother; Uncle Chip; OLD REGGIE; Alex Murphy; ...
Let's recap:

•1) Cornwell did not recant nor retract his bestselling book, "Hitler's Pope." Instead, he stands by every fact in his book.

•2) All American copies of "Hitler's Pope" possessed an accurately-labeled cover photo.

•3) Cornwell is a practicing Roman Catholic and was when he wrote his book.

•4) As Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Pacelli signed the Concordat with Nazi German foreign minister Franz von Papen in 1933. As part of the Concordat, the Catholic Center Party (Zentrum), controlled by Pacelli's protege, Monsignor Ludwig Kaas, reversed its long-standing opposition to the Nazis and instead, voted to pass the Enabling Act which effectively handed over the German government to Hitler.

•5) This deal between the Vatican and the Nazis was made a full EIGHT YEARS after Hilter had written "Mein Kampf" in which he clearly and explicitly detailed his future plans for the Jewish people.

•6) Someone bought up the domain name, http://www.Hitler'sPope.com and used it to create an anti-Cornwell site which instead, supports "The Myth of Hilter's Pope."

For further reading...

WHAT THE REVIEWS SAID

761 posted on 04/12/2007 7:13:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You’ve corrected one of your lies. Congratulations. But so many remain. You should be ashamed of yourself.


762 posted on 04/12/2007 7:16:59 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Dominick

They are stooges of a communist tyrant long since passed to hell.

It’s so sad.


763 posted on 04/12/2007 7:18:13 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
For shame.

You have been corrected over and over again, yet you repeat the same slanders.

There is no hope for you. You are too invested in your view of the Church.

764 posted on 04/12/2007 7:20:20 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother; Frank Sheed; Campion
Aw look, he liked a website of the eminently fair Ian Paisley. Isn't that quaint? Let's look at the mission statement:

"expound the Bible, expose the Papacy, and to promote, defend and maintain Bible Protestantism in Europe and further afield."

Exposing the Papacy! It's a mission of love.

766 posted on 04/12/2007 7:33:20 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; AnAmericanMother; Petronski; sandyeggo; Campion
Let's do a historically correct recap:
  1. 30-Jan-1933 Hitler named Chancellor

  2. 27-Feb-1933 Reichstag Fire Decree Signed

  3. 23-Mar-1933 Enabling Act Signed

  4. Mar-Apr-1933 Massive Defections from the Catholic Center Party

  5. 07-Jul-1933 Weakened Catholic Center Party dissolves itself due to Gleichschaltung (and after all the other parties had been dissolved or banned)

  6. 20-Jul-1933 Reichskonkordat Signed.
Since the concordat was not agreed to until July (and negotiations didn't even begin until April), it is impossible for the concordat to have resulted in the passing of the Enabling Act of March.

Your recap is seriously flawed.

767 posted on 04/12/2007 8:13:17 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Citing www.ianpaisley.org when arguing with Catholics will really demonstrate to them that you don't hate the Catholic Church, don't hate Catholics as individuals, and are an eminently fair-minded and impartial seeker of truth.

You can get equally good material from www.chick.com.

not.

768 posted on 04/12/2007 8:27:16 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Titanites
Your recap is seriously flawed.

Nah, it's just the same creative use of chronology that allows David Dalin to try to influence the Vatican to recognize Israel in 1994 by publishing a book defending Pius XII in 2005.

I mean, what difference does the sequence of events make when you're on a mission to "expose the Papacy"?

769 posted on 04/12/2007 8:30:06 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion

I don’t suspect there will be a correction or admission of error - just more bluster and diversion.


770 posted on 04/12/2007 8:40:21 PM PDT by Titanites
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To: All
I've had it with the poor behavior on this thread. It is now at zero tolerance.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.

After this warning, personal jabs on this thread will have consequences.
771 posted on 04/12/2007 9:08:02 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Titanites; Campion; sandyeggo; Petronski

Thank you all for your stalwart efforts in support of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

May God bless you.


772 posted on 04/12/2007 10:02:53 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: AnAmericanMother

(sorry) meant to include you also.


773 posted on 04/12/2007 10:05:39 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat

dittos


774 posted on 04/12/2007 10:47:24 PM PDT by Running On Empty
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To: reagandemocrat

ditto


775 posted on 04/12/2007 10:47:55 PM PDT by Running On Empty
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Since the concordat was not agreed to until July (and negotiations didn't even begin until April), it is impossible for the concordat to have resulted in the passing of the Enabling Act of March.

That is absolutely false. Pacelli wanted a Concordat with the previous chancellors of the Weimar Republic but they refused him. Pacelli found in Hitler a man who was willing to give him the concordat that he wanted but his predecessors had refused. Passage of the Enabling Act and dissolution of the Catholic Center Party were the preconditions for Hitler's signature on the Concordat, and Pacelli got his protege Monsignor Kass to make it happen so that the Concordat could happen.

Here is how one reviewer says it:

"In the 1930s this allegedly brilliant diplomat was outfoxed and outmanoeuvred by the Nazis at every turn. Obsessed with securing Concordat-style treaties with nation-states along the lines of the Lateran treaties signed with Mussolini in 1929, Pacelli destroyed the Catholic Centre Party in Germany, the only real opposition to Hitler after 1933 and the significant opposition to the Enabling Act of 1933 that gave the Führer dictatorial powers. Pacelli ordered the Centre Party to dissolve itself, as this was Hitler's condition for signing a Concordat. The Catholic Church in Germany was gagged by the Vatican, forbidden to comment on political affairs. Hitler was able to turn his attention to the Jews with his flank secured and could boast that the Concordat proved that Nazism was the standard-bearer of Christianity against atheistic communism."

It is history. Face it. Everybody who examines the facts knows it to be true.

776 posted on 04/13/2007 3:41:13 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Pacelli wanted a Concordat with the previous chancellors of the Weimar Republic but they refused him. Pacelli found in Hitler a man who was willing to give him the concordat that he wanted but his predecessors had refused. Passage of the Enabling Act and dissolution of the Catholic Center Party were the preconditions for Hitler's signature on the Concordat, and Pacelli got his protege Monsignor Kass to make it happen so that the Concordat could happen.

Prove it.

777 posted on 04/13/2007 5:09:12 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Petronski
Pacelli wanted a Concordat with the previous chancellors of the Weimar Republic but they refused him. Pacelli found in Hitler a man who was willing to give him the concordat that he wanted but his predecessors had refused. Passage of the Enabling Act and dissolution of the Catholic Center Party were the preconditions for Hitler's signature on the Concordat, and Pacelli got his protege Monsignor Kass to make it happen so that the Concordat could happen.

Prove it.

History already has. Without the votes of Monsignor Kass's Catholic Center Party there would have been no Enabling Act ---

778 posted on 04/13/2007 5:22:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
History already has. Without the votes of Monsignor Kass's Catholic Center Party there would have been no Enabling Act ---

That is not proof of your fanciful chronology. I say again: Prove it.





(I won't hold my breath.)

779 posted on 04/13/2007 5:24:16 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Petronski

Let’s take the facts one at a time. Did the Enabling Acts pass with the votes of Monsignor Kass’s Catholic Center Party or not? Yes or No.


780 posted on 04/13/2007 5:28:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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