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To: topcat54

You may want to study up on the Hypostatic Union, then we might be able to converse about it. Still awaiting your catching up. It’s sort of hard to discuss doctrine with somebody who refuses to be humble before the Holy Spirit and prefers to fill their mind independent of the active ministry of the Holy Spirit, while condemning all doctrine presented by Dallas Theological Seminary since they are labeled as ‘counter-productive dispensationalists’ by some wannabe reformers.

BTW, I’ve done your homework for you, regarding the compartments of Hades and Scriptural references, however, nobody can perform the homework of spiritual sanctification and developing doctrine in the heart of the believer other than the Holy Spirit Himself upon the believer remaining in fellowship for an expteded period of time for the Holy Spirit to perform His ministry at the pace only He knows how to deliver.

I was mistaken about the Lake of Fire, as I had recalled from memory the four compartments which are better described as Abraham’s Bosom (Paradise), the Torments, Tartarus, and the Abyss (not the lake of Fire). Lucky for the Reformers the Dispensationalists have done some homework, so the Reformers might hear about the difference. These are also discussed quite a bit by some of those DTS professors which have been so maligned in these threads.

Here are some verses for you to study on the basics.

BTW, if these are studied without remaining in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, the effort will merely scar the thinking processes of the student into a legalistic or adversarial fashion, resulting in the backslidden student having a tendency to misunderstand their spiritual significance and possibly later grieving or quenching the Spirit.

Torments: Luke 16:19-31; Acts 13:35; Psalm 9:17; John 3:18; Matt 9:48
Tartarus: a domain for certain fallen angels Gen 6; 2Pet 2:4; Jude 6; Heb 2:9-17; Historic myths of the Titan wars reveal a basis in truth regarding the imprisonment of some fallen angels in Tartartus. Some linkages to Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Dan 3:25
Paradise: Psalm 116, Acts 2:27, Luke 23:39-43; Eph 4:8; Psalm 68; 2Cor 11:25; 2Cor 12;
Abyss: Luke 8:30-31; Rom 10:7; Rev 9:1-2, 11, 7:17, 11:7, 20:1-3;
Lake of Fire: Matt 25:41; Matt 9:48

Through faith in our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus...for our edification and sanctification only by His will and not ours.


508 posted on 04/08/2007 8:58:51 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
You may want to study up on the Hypostatic Union, then we might be able to converse about it.

I know what it is. That's why I asked if you knew, and what bearing it had on the subject matter we were discussing. Or if you were just spouting off.

... perform the homework of spiritual sanctification

Now you are babbling. Is this your attempt to get out of answering the hard questions from the Bible. Or do you just believe the Holy Spirit will mystically "lay it on your heart" like the gnostics.

I was mistaken about the Lake of Fire, as I had recalled from memory the four compartments which are better described as Abraham’s Bosom (Paradise), the Torments, Tartarus, and the Abyss (not the lake of Fire).

I still haven't seen any interpretation of specific Bible texts to support your theory. Specifically, without regurgitating the dispensational party line, I'd like you to demonstrate that these are all different "compartments" rather than merely being different names for the same concept/place.

521 posted on 04/09/2007 6:19:22 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: Cvengr
Torments: Luke 16:19-31; Acts 13:35; Psalm 9:17; John 3:18; Matt 9:48
Tartarus: a domain for certain fallen angels Gen 6; 2Pet 2:4; Jude 6; Heb 2:9-17; Historic myths of the Titan wars reveal a basis in truth regarding the imprisonment of some fallen angels in Tartartus. Some linkages to Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Dan 3:25
Paradise: Psalm 116, Acts 2:27, Luke 23:39-43; Eph 4:8; Psalm 68; 2Cor 11:25; 2Cor 12;
Abyss: Luke 8:30-31; Rom 10:7; Rev 9:1-2, 11, 7:17, 11:7, 20:1-3;
Lake of Fire: Matt 25:41; Matt 9:48

Can you please point of the Greek word I'm supposed to be looking at in each of these passages. E.g., John 3:18 reads:

"He who believes in Him is not condemned (krinetai); but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

There is no place or "compartment" identified in that passage. I don't see any reference to "torments". Perhaps it's a translation difference. The Greek would help.

(Where did you copy this list from?)

Looking at another of these passages, Romans 10:6,7, the idea there is that "abyss" is merely a reference to the place of the dead (hades) is apparent. In fact Paul gives the correct interpretation for us.

"But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, " 'Who will descend into the abyss?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)."

BTW, there is no Matt. 9:48 in my Bible.

526 posted on 04/09/2007 7:00:06 AM PDT by topcat54
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