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To: topcat54
Don't mean to steal Lee's thunder.

[shrug]. So I decided I'd rather eat lunch than compose a reasoned response that would get ignored anyway. Thunder away.

Worth pointing out that the first and second deaths are in parallel (I think that's what they call chiastic parallel, but don't hold me to that) with the first and second resurrections. The first death is the one all flesh is subject to, if the Lord tarries. The second is distinct in kind, being not a death of the body but the torment of the resurrected sinner in the lake of fire.

There is a similar distinction in kind (not simply in temporal order) between the first and second resurrections. The first is spiritual, either conversion ("he has passed from death to life") or the passing of the soul of the believer to the presence of God upon death. Only believers get this one. The second, is the resurrection of the body, that everyone gets.

For those who have experience the first ressurection, the second death has no power. The ressurection of the body comes, as Jesus said, on the last day.

19 posted on 04/02/2007 10:42:19 AM PDT by Lee N. Field
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To: Lee N. Field
Amen. Excellent observation. Spiritual death requires a spiritual resurrection. Physical death requires a physical resurrection. Only one of each.

Same parallel in John 5:

25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
The first resurrection in v. 25 is spiritual and limited, "and hour is coming and now is ... and those who hear will live." Only those with spiritual ears are able to hear the voice of the Master and be born again and raised spiritually from the dead (cf. Eph. 2:5,6).

The second resurrection is physical, "from the grace", and are judged, "those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation."

A general resurrection followed immediately by a general judgment are what's in store.

21 posted on 04/02/2007 10:51:05 AM PDT by topcat54
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