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To: StAthanasiustheGreat; Iscool; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan
You will find no disagreement from me or from the Catholic Church with Timothy. Neither the Church nor myself see an "Only" there.

There's a lot more Scripture supporting Sola Scriptura than the fictitious belief that one human man on earth is to be the head of the church.

The head of the church is Jesus Christ.

Alone.

"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body." -- Ephesians 5:23

Anything else steals he glory that the Creator rightly claims for His own and gives it to the creation.

Big mistake.

228 posted on 04/01/2007 12:30:28 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Again no disagreement that Christ is the Head of the Church. The Pope is merely the Vicar here on Earth. Thou Art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.

Somethings tells me this is a discussion that will only end on the Last Day.

God Bless You.


229 posted on 04/01/2007 12:31:53 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

There is no real Scriptural evidence supporting Sola Scriptura whatsoever.

Acts 8:26-40

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7 Then the angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, "Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route."
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So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, 8 that is, the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship,
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and was returning home. Seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
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The Spirit said to Philip, "Go and join up with that chariot."
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9 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
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He replied, "How can I, unless someone instructs me?" So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.
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This was the scripture passage he was reading: "Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he opened not his mouth.
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In (his) humiliation justice was denied him. Who will tell of his posterity? For his life is taken from the earth."
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Then the eunuch said to Philip in reply, "I beg you, about whom is the prophet saying this? About himself, or about someone else?"
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Then Philip opened his mouth and, beginning with this scripture passage, he proclaimed Jesus to him.
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As they traveled along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "Look, there is water. What is to prevent my being baptized?"
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Then he ordered the chariot to stop, and Philip and the eunuch both went down into the water, and he baptized him.
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When they came out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, but continued on his way rejoicing.
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Philip came to Azotus, and went about proclaiming the good news to all the towns until he reached Caesarea.

with the footnotes:

7 [26-40] In the account of the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch, Luke adduces additional evidence to show that the spread of Christianity outside the confines of Judaism itself was in accord with the plan of God. He does not make clear whether the Ethiopian was originally a convert to Judaism or, as is more probable, a "God-fearer" (Acts 10:1), i.e., one who accepted Jewish monotheism and ethic and attended the synagogue but did not consider himself bound by other regulations such as circumcision and observance of the dietary laws. The story of his conversion to Christianity is given a strong supernatural cast by the introduction of an angel (Acts 8:26), instruction from the holy Spirit (Acts 8:29), and the strange removal of Philip from the scene (39).

8 [27] The Candace: Candace is not a proper name here but the title of a Nubian queen.

9 [30-34] Philip is brought alongside the carriage at the very moment when the Ethiopian is pondering the meaning of Isaiah 53:7-8, a passage that Christianity, from its earliest origins, has applied to Jesus; cf the note on Acts 3:13.

10 [37] The oldest and best manuscripts of Acts omit this verse, which is a Western text reading: "And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may.' And he said in reply, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.' "


This passage, along with the tradition of the Apostles and disciples teaching, instructing and admonishing the faithful throughout the known world, tells us that Sola Scriptura is wrong. It becomes a proud and arrogant philosophy in which the practitioner, as it obvious from these threads, sets himself up as his own infallible Pope, whilst denouncing the real Vicar of Christ as being anywhere from wrong to the Antichrist.

One thing that is so simple yet so difficult for many to understand is that there is a lot more required of all us than what one simply gets out of a single out-of-context verse.

We are required to be baptized. Yes. But much more is required of us than that. We are required to do good works. Remember the Beatitudes. Jesus spends most of the Gospels telling people what to do and not to do. Actions speak louder than words.

Are Christians who do not spend time in prayer really Christians? Are Christians who do not kneel in prayer really Christians? Are Christians who do not feed the hungry, help the sick etc. (and no, I'm not speaking about the weekly collections here - I'm talking about really actually doing it) really Christian? Are Christians who do not wear the symbols of Christianity openly but who are ashamed or uncaring, really Christian?

How many of us here serve in soup kitchens, drive the elderly where they need to go, physically work on and in their churches, and the community? How many are Christians only when they get on this forum?

Matthew 25:31-46

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14 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
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and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
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He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
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Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
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For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
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Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
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And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
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17 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
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a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
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18 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
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He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
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And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


There is the argument for works. And it trumps any argument against it. Yes, you must be baptized but you must do these things as well. Verse 45 and 46.


248 posted on 04/02/2007 4:22:36 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen)
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