Posted on 03/22/2007 9:54:02 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
It's my understanding that there is no reason why it would not fit on the temple mount and that it is on in the location of the Dome of the Rock. Have you been to the temple mount? There's quite a lot of room there. At least that is the speculation that I heard when I visited years ago.
I have no reason to rest assured that what you assert is in fact true.
The word is preterist rather than prederist. I have an issue with people intimating Jews are rebellious or rotten - perhaps that wasn't your intent. Unfortunately, we in the church don't study our own history to know what we have done that is so far from how God wants us to treat each other.
God bless Israel. Jesus is Jewish and fulfilled the law that brings the gospel to all who will receive it.
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Well said, ps2, post #87. I'll ditto that.
Amen! Thank you for your post. I think that sometimes we gentiles have a bit of an attitude of superiority in thinking we wouldn't have done the same things. We don't know our church history well enough to realize that we are guilty of the same kinds of things.
I cringe when I think of how we have treated the people through whom God has blessed the world with Holy Scripture and the Savior of the world.
No. There is no purpose for a rebuilt temple. That period of time is gone and we are now under a new covenant.
So, tell us what the passage means. Exegete it for us.
Paul's emphasis in Romans 9-11 is that there is a remnant being saved from among the Jews thus proving God's faithfulness to Israel. "All Israel" will be saved, as God as ordained. When the "fulness of the gentiles" and "all Israel" are saved, thus completing Christ's bride, the chruch, then He will return to judge and usher in the eternal new heavens and new earth.
"All Israel" will be saved by repenting of their sin and worshipping Jesus seated on the throne of David in the temple in heaven, not in an earthly temple in old Jerusalem.
If Israel will be joined to Christ for salvation, then it will enjoy the blessing of God again -- not apart from the Gentiles, but in the same way as the Gentiles (cf. Acts 10:35; 15:9). Paul assures us: "if they do not continue in unbelief, they shall be grafted in [to the olive tree representing God's people], for God is able to graft them in again" (Romans 11:23). The partial hardening of Israel has taken place, says Paul, until the fulness of the Gentiles comes into the kingdom (11:25). Israel will be provoked to jealousy (11:11; cf. Deut. 32:21!). And "in this way all Israel shall be saved" (11:26). (Greg Bahnsen)Pretribbers make the mistake of believing that "all Israel" will only be saved after the rapture. But Paul makes it clear that the salvation of "all Israel" will happen as a result of an extensive conversion of the gentiles to Messiah Jesus. They will be provoked to jealousy and return to the God of their father Abraham.
I just pointed out that there is a purpose for a rebuilt temple. Jews are not Christians. They don't care what we think. They don't think Jesus is the final sacrifice.
Many of them want to rebuild their church building.
What do you see in scripture that says it absolutely will not be rebuilt by non-Christian Jews?
I am not sure if there is anything in scripture that states that the temple will absolutely not be built. I just don't believe it will happen.
I realize that Jews do not believe that Jesus is the final sacrifice.
If you know that Jews aren't Christians, then why do you think they'd care one whit about what various Christian doctrine's say about their temple?
Their church building is missing, and it makes sense for them to rebuild it.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This is why they should care. They are holding to a religious system that is no longer authorized by God.
At this time God has given the majority of Jews over to their blinded religion. He is saving the faithful remnant and uniting them to His bride, the Church. It was always God's plan to have one people united under one Messiah inhabiting the new Jerusalem which is above (Gal. 4:26; Heb. 12:22). Peter testified as much in Acts 15:
So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged [the gentiles] by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to [the Jews], and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.James continues Peter's thoughts and says something truly remarkable:
Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: 'After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up; So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the Lord who does all these things.'James identifies the salvation of the gentiles with the rebuilding of "the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down". This is a reference to the work of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the true tabernacle of David, torn down and then rebuilt in just three days. In case you missed it, James has spiritualized the OT prophecy and applied it directly to the work of Christ in calling the gentiles to Himself from among the nations.
God has established His new covenant with His people, both Jews and gentiles. The more that gentiles are faithful to the covenant the more Jews will be provoked to jealousy and brought into the kingdom.
That's God's plan and He is sticking to it.
I'm not saying it is not a part of biblical prophecy.
Obviously, if they don't ever rebuild their temple, then it was a wrong scriptural interpretation to include it as an item of futurist biblical interpretation.
If they do rebuild it, then it leaves open the possibility that the Futurists are right. Therefore, It does, in fact, strenghten their position in that they had being predicting the rebuilding as the correct way to interpret scripture..
But they can't just rebuild any old temple, correct? Doesn't it have to fit the exact specifications of Ezekiel 40-48 for it to be the rebuilt temple of the futurists?
We know that anything not fitting this description of bogus from the very start. Or am I missing something of the futurist theory?
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