To: klossg
"CCL, nor no one I am aware of teaches that you wait 3 days after the temperature shift for dry up. The temperature shift is the indication of ovulation. After ovulation the life of the sperm does not matter since it has no ovum to fertilize. Ovum life span is 1 day. NFP adds a day to that for assurance. If you are drying up before the shift, you will be good to go as soon as the temp shift is complete. What system of NFP did you learn? How did you learn it?"
I was loaned a CCL book once, but I believe I read the 3 day rule in the "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler.
I think the rationale was that temp can drop as hormones attempt to bring on ovulation, but sometimes the threshold is not met (stress, illness) and ovulation is postponed.
So...the idea is that if temp holds the pattern after 3 days it is safe to assume ovulation has occured and the egg is dead and gone.
"How so? This life of sperm in mucus is scientifically proved and backed up"
You can tell me that over and over.
I've read it over and over.
I am of the opinion that it can live at least up to 7 days.
No scientific study except personal experience - 3 times over.
"Do you have many charts like this? I'd like to see them all if possible."
I did. I threw them out in a bit of a hissy fit.
They said the same thing....ovulation anwhere from day 12-14.
sex 7 days prior.
The bartholin cyst problem is likely a factor as well, which means brakes would have to put on except maybe for a week (if I'm lucky) after ovulation.
To: Scotswife
You say that you threw them out. That is a bummer. True use of CCL NFP would be to me a miracle baby. I would loved to have seen them. Darn it! They said the same thing....ovulation anywhere from day 12-14. sex 7 days prior.
Do you remember if there was mucus present the day you had sex 7 days prior and was it based on internal mucus observation? If so, CCL's rules say you are fertile, regardless, and in phase 2. I cannot say that for sure, because I haven't seen the charts. Anyway, an NFP system worth its salt should consider you fertile if you are in Phase one (before ovulation) and there is any mucus present, regardless of how short or close your ovulation might occur. Phase one ends as soon as mucus is observed. And phase one sex should only be attempted during the menstrual period (or before day 6) - only after internal mucus observations that indicate a dry day. Else you are in phase two.
I understand your frustration but please do not crush the system if you may have not been properly trained or informed. If you could get those charts, I would help you lay the source of your pregnancies to rest. Since, this is impossible and unless you have conclusive evidence that it was the system itself that failed and not your use (say a CCL teacher (or equivalent) review of said charts), then please make less sweeping statements against NFP. NFP is not a terrible system and if taught properly and learned properly, will provide effectiveness above 99%.
I am not trying to talk you into anything like trying it again. No offense but I wouldn't use the NFP knowledge that you have demonstrated myself. If you do use NFP again, please take a class from CCL beforehand. This can be done on-line. Otherwise, do not use the same NFP system you used previously.
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03/20/2007 9:24:25 AM PDT by
klossg
(GK - God is good!)
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