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To: kosta50
Sometimes, I really think we speak past each other.

That THERE I can agree with! That's why I wanted to back off. This conversation needs a reboot. Too much litter in RAM.

Yeah dying to self, taking up cross daily,. Yeah a kind of Pauline mysticism in which, through Baptism (understood as an act of God, not a bizarre ritual lustration) in which our fallen tendency to death is consummated and our life is hid with Christ and we are revivified with the gift of the Spirit of Christ, so that "now I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me" (and so the whole goal of Christian askesis could be understood as cultivating the consciousness of the truth about the death of the self in Christ. ALL that gets a big affirmative Yassuh with sprinkles AND marshmallow topping!

So one way to phrase the question I have is, so how come The body is resurrected if they ain't no self after all that. What I need a body for If I have died to self.

Or, just so you guys KNOW I spent some time with the Zennies, If -> I <- died to self, then who is writing this nonsense?

737 posted on 03/16/2007 3:52:05 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Save the cheerleader, who cares about the world for crying out loud!)
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To: Mad Dawg
So one way to phrase the question I have is, so how come The body is resurrected if they ain't no self after all that. What I need a body for If I have died to self

Well, by the same token we could ask why did we need a body to begin with! But we know that Adam's 'personality' is not known, nor was it something God cared to talk about.

Adam and Eve were supposed to live in bliss. The only thing God ever told them is "multiply!" The personalities begin to emerge in the fallen state, when Cain slays Abel out of jealousy, and later on as some are deemed righteous (Noah, Job, etc.) compared to others.

The answer to your question is simple: we need bodies because that's how God created us! That is our "normal" state. If He wanted us to be noëtic beings without bodies we would be angels. He already created those. He also created animals, although He wanted us to eat herbs! [this is all assuming the story of Genesis is not a myth]

Most importantly, no one is saying that we will not be different as we are today; the most important thing is that our personalities will not matter, as Adam's didn't matter. Every snow flake is unique too! Does that make each one of them precious? They all equally 'populate' the area they fall on, their uniqueness notwithstanding.

Angels are also unique and different, but their individuality and 'self' do not matter; what matters is why they appear and what message they bring. They only do God's will.

When we die unto oursleves, our personalities do not disappear; they become irrelevant, which is as good as disappearing; none of our iniquity obstructs His light. Because from there on we exist only to obey and carry out God's will. No ours. We exist for God, not the other way around.

744 posted on 03/16/2007 6:51:58 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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