**Help me out here**
Ask and ye shall receive.
Mr. Reckart: "Mary was the mother of the seed of David in which God was incarnated upon birth ..."
Right after that line was (1 Tim 3:16), which I would say is harmonious, "..God was manifest in the flesh.."
Manifest or incarnated, same result. NOT interpreted as CREATED. GOD cannot be created.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
Here's a related question concerning the birth. Which was the father of the Christ, the Son of the living God: the Father, or the Holy Ghost, or both?
Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Matt. 1:18,20
"the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.." Luke 1:35
Twelve yrs old: Jesus says, "..I must be about my Father's business." Luke 2:49. Jesus referred to his Father a lot, but never referred to the Holy Ghost as his father.
It is so wonderful to be liberated from the tradition of men, that have tried to teach the Godhead with a carnal, earthly understanding; that more of God was created in Mary's womb. The unspiritual efforts to compartmentalize the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God always end up as an unsolved mystery.
Perhaps Isaiah said it best: "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles". Is.43:1
Yes, marko, you may label me 'oneness', if you please. For 28 yrs I was 'threeness', but the confusion was overcome, thank God.
Well, good for you. I hope you have a good life with your belief system as it is.
As I said in my previous post, if you are a 'oneness' believer, it would be completely illogical for you to baptize using a Trinitarian formula, as you don't believe in the Blessed Trinity.
But we still have to deal with the question I asked in my earlier post. If you believe in baptizing like they did in the book of Acts, which formula do you use?
Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. (Note: the Stephens Text says "in the name of the Lord")
Acts 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
So which is it? Baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, or baptized in the name of the Lord?
If you use a more modern tranlsation of the Bible, you have a choice of one of two. If you use a KJV, you have a choice of one of three. So which is it?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to attack your beliefs, I just see that there are two (or three) possible variants, and was wondering which you use?
Oh, golly. How do I get mixed up in these things?
Mr. Zuriel, it doesn't bother me in the slightest that you seem to believe something totally different. Have a nice day.
All this is new to me, sort of new. In 1978 I gave some kittens who had been born in the woods behind the place where I was living to some people who gave me a pamphlet about baptizing in the name of Jesus. But from then until now, I have no more contact.
In the rush of prose, I want to make sure I'm getting the main ideas. (1) Doctrine of Trinity is man-made and carnal? (2)Would you agree with the article that the Divine "aspect""part""whatchamacallit" or Jesus was not in Him when he was a fetus, but was sort of added at birth? (3)You understand Trinitarians and those who endorse the Chalcedonian definition as saying that somehow more God was created or added somehow in the process of what we call Incarnation?
Thanks. I'm not waiting to pounce. This is a new line of country for me and I want to look around.
Tax-chick's question, way back in post #10, I think arose because "we" would say that whatever was divine about that Baby was divine from the instant of His conception, not added at birth, as Mr Reckart seemed to say. The manifestation and/or incarnation is, to us, distinct from the nativity, which is a part of the entire incarnation, ah, phenomenon.
Personally, I think debating the Trinity will make us all crazy in a heart beat.
I get my bandages changed today! Let the dancing in the streets begin! YAY! I got to leave the house and go to Church yesterday. Do you know? The entire world managed to survive pretty well without my seeing it for 6 days. I think there are parts of it that didn't even miss me! Wonders never cease!